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    “If you don’t wear Special Clothes around me I’m going to lose it.”

    When are we going to move past costuming for work?

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      Nonsense ideology that dates back to medieval times. I subscribed to it for years until I realized it had no bearing on my work. I tell my interns and staff “dress appropriately,” meaning be comfortable - unless we’re meeting with clients, whose expectations may not align.

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      Dress codes serve as class signifiers. Like most rules of decorum, they’re cultural artifacts used to delineate the haves from the have-nots. They don’t dislike the fact that Fetterman refuses to wear a suit. They dislike the fact that he dresses like the common people he actually represents. Whereas they dress like the people they represent - capitalist oligarchs. They’re wanting to close ranks and keep people from realizing that not everyone in the senate serves the same masters.

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      People with their little collars and jackets and ties to make them feel important

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      Isn’t the logic that it’s an easy thing to use as a sign of conformance? A check to see if you’re willing to compromise your personal choices for the groups mandate?

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      Probably never. People will always judge others based on how they are dressed. We subconsciously attach a certain image of what people should look like. And these dress codes are often enforced by society indirectly. 99% of people would not want to have a lawyer dressed casually to court and will pick someone else even if the alternative is by all accounts not as good as the casually dressed lawyer.

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        I’d be happy to have a lawyer in casual attire if it wouldn’t bias the judge and jury against him (or me).

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          Idk about that one. How a person maintains their suit, tie, shirt, and shoes, says a lot about how meticulous they are as people, and I want an absolutely anal attorney.

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            That may be usually true, but I don’t know if it’s as good an indicator as you might think it is. I’m extremely pedantic, anal, stubborn and meticulous when it comes to arguing but I rarely dress meticulously - in fact quite the opposite. I’ve also met plenty of people who dress and groom themselves extremely well but couldn’t argue their way into a root in a brothel.

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        Thats right. I judge them by how they are dressed. Fetterman is a working class american, and the others are my enemy.

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        I feel like there some that do and most that don’t but the some that do are such cunts they try to force the most of us to do what they want

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          For most people it’s subconscious. Society presents the image of a lawyer that constantly wears a suit. Most lawyers do wear a suit. So when they see a lawyer without a suit it puts them off because it clashes with the image of what a lawyer is suppose to be. But like I said it’s subconscious no one just thinks to themselves “all lawyers should wear suits or else they are untrustworthy”.

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    You see, this impacts them. Never mind that there’s no actual impact, they only want those among them who behave as expected. Also, he got excessive attention due to his attire, which gave him a bigger audience for his political views.

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      Also, he got excessive attention due to his attire, which gave him a bigger audience for his political views.

      Not necessarily.

      People who disagree with his dress attire may not care to pay attention to his message/opinions (ex.: “This guy’s a joke, I’m not listening to him”).

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        Those who dismiss him because of his attire would, most likely, not listen to him, regardless. It’s the others, who otherwise would know nothing of this man or his policies, who may be swayed in some way.

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        As someone who agrees with his dress style It shows that he’s young and different And the uproar against his style made me interested in him as a person

        *Btw this is the first time I’ve heard about it and strictly on first impressions

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          You think they listen to Bernie Sanders?

          I have no idea. I was just speaking towards some people’s prejudices of wanting people in authority to be well dressed and ignoring them if not.

          I personally don’t agree with it, just bringing up the point. I’m definitely a substance over style type of person.

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              These acorns are gatekeeping.

              Not necessarily.

              They just may be creatures of habit, and trying to uphold the ‘institution’ philosophy of Congress (in their minds)

              Sometimes you can just take someone at face value, you don’t always have to look for ulterior motives.

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    Once the Miserables found themselves outvoted in the Estates General of 1789 by about 3% of the population (the ones with money), it became very uncomfortable in France for aristocrats.

    Just saying,

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        And we’ll continue to lose, willingly. Even in an era where our favorite junk food prices are rising, we’re being nickel and dimed over subscription services and everything. As long as they aren’t coming to rip us away from our comfy beds or couches, we’re fine. Oh wait, they’ve been doing that with escalating prices of rent.

        I guess we’ll all just go and die then because at least in the afterlife, no corporate or governmental finger can touch death to influence capitalism on.

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      They just don’t want to govern.

      Yes. They want paychecks without work, responsibility, or blame.

      They don’t want there to be a government.

      No. I see no evidence of that. Every chance people get to raise military or police spending or make up new laws to restrict people’s choices, they take it.

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        The problem with that train of thought is that they were already rich when they got the job. Many of them actually spend more to get the job than the job even pays. They aren’t there for the pay, they are there for the power plays. Once you get in you know people, people mainly help those they are close to. Money is a means to an end (and integral to the storage process ) but it’s all about power and connections. Why else would someone pay $1M of their own money for a 50/50 shot at a job that pays $1.2M over 4 years?

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      “It’s called consolidation. Strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals.”

      If you get the reference, you are a champ in my book.

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    Would love to see some bipartisan support for banning congress members from trading stocks. Both sides are doing it to such a degree that they are more likely to be replaced before any legislation regarding this gets passed. Obligatory Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker link: https://twitter.com/PelosiTracker_/

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      Nancy Pelosi gets a bad rap, but she’s actually not one of the most successful traders in congress. Of the 26 traders in Congress who beat the S&P 500 in 2022, Nancy was not one of them.

      She also doesn’t actually trade any stocks. She married a man in college who now owns a brokerage. To ban her from owning stock trades would be the same as asking her to divorce her husband or be removed from office.

      One of the biggest controversies she’s ever been in was when VISA lobbied her and made meetings with her before an influential vote, at which point her husband bought large shares in VISA, and then she…

      voted against VISA’s interests anyways…

      The best part of all this is Paul Pelosi still made money selling the shares because society as a whole has duped itself into thinking following Pelosi is the ultimate grift for decades now. The fact is that we only even know about their trades because of legislature that Pelosi helped pass in the first place.

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        or be removed from office

        I wouldn’t complain if this happened without needing this kind of legislation.

        That said I do agree that people like her would be in a pickle and I don’t think it should necessarily be straight banned, but instead politicians in her situation and their closest associated people should have their trades regularly audited for insider trading.

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          That’s just the system we have now, then. We have the Ethics in Government Act of 1978, the STOCK Act of 2012. Clearly I think more should be done, but I also don’t agree with forcing people to divorce their loved ones and leave their families while in office. Maybe something that makes future members of congress ineligible for office if their spouse trades stocks as an income source?

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        Of the 26 traders in Congress who beat the S&P 500 in 2022, Nancy was not one of them.

        We only started tracking trades in 2021. Pelosi has been in office since the 1987 and her husband’s venture capital firm Financial Leasing Services, Inc. is the primary reason for the family’s $115M household valuation. A big part of the FLS holdings is sports venue real estate. And a big part of the profitability of that real estate stems from city, state, and federal grant money. So… shrug

        But no, this isn’t just Nancy Pelosi personally getting in on the ground floor of Facebook, Google, or Amazon, back before they were major recipients of NSA money for data collections and warehousing.

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          We’ve been tracking trades since the Ethics in Government Act of 1978 which was expanded upon by the STOCK act of 2012.

          So… shrug

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            We’ve been tracking trades

            Can you show me what stocks Pelosi owned in 1987, when she took office? I’m unable to find anyone hosting this data.

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              Given EIGA predates the internet, the archives are probably stored as papers somewhere in the library of congress or the SEC, let me know if you find anything online.

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    Formal dress codes are upper class by aesthetics. Its just another little bite of compliance that one is expected to take before joining those in power.

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      It is funny and sad how many ways of getting ahead in society can be interpreted as testing your tolerance for bullshit.

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    Okay. All those fat old men (on both sides) wearing ill fitting suits should be expelled from houses of government until they wear a fitted suit. Same with the women.

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    need a retirement age for all public employees. I mean let them get paid to do nothing where we don’t have to listen to them pretending to do serious stuff.

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      I’m old enough to remember when China raised the mandatory retirement cap from 70 to 75 and American journalists lost their fucking minds, insisting that President Xi (who turned 71 in the '23 election cycle) had committed some kind of unconstitutional legislative coup de tat.

      A few months later, Dianne Feinstein died in office at age 90 and we were all told to celebrate how democratically her final two terms in office had shaken out.

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    They put up a dress code, then one of their own rocks up wearing denim dungarees.

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      There are laws against insider trading not only in general but also specifically for Congressmen. Also, there have been (failed) bills to raise the federal minimum wage, including an attempt to add it into the stimulus bill in 2021 as a $15 Minimum Wage.

      People like to ask “WhY iS noBOdY DoInG SoMEtHInG?!” while completely ignoring that one party consistently is trying but we never give them enough seats in the senate to actually do it.

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          And both are required to write and pass legislature, in many cases a 2/3rds majority votes depending on precedence of the legislature. Our system is built to make change difficult and progress slow.

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            The subject of the post is a direct example that action can be taken quickly and you can’t just blame ‘the ststem’.

            We have to hold the legislators accountable and don’t believe anyone trying to deflect their ineffectiveness.

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              Action that can be taken quickly on clearly partisan legislature with control of both house and senate, as well as cooperation from the POTUS and Courts so as to not be struck down after the vote like the Student Debt Relief was, is not easy.

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      You wanna know why freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are legal and encouraged? Because it does nothing. The American revolution wasn’t a sit-in.

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      And where is the public uproar about this?

      We’ve had crowds in the street protesting social injustice practically every year since the Seattle WTO riots of the 1990s. If you haven’t seen a public outcry, you haven’t been paying attention.

      The problem is that the outcries are fractured, the movements regularly subverted by a combination of con-artists and police, and a lot of the mass media ideology poisons people against one another by ethnicity, religion, gender, and locale. Folks who can all agree that the Sacklers deserve a long drop from a short rope will scream invective at one another because one of them showed up wearing a BLM t-shirt and the other finds it offensive. Folks who all agree de-industrialization was a nightmare for the midwest will tear each others eyes out over the abortion debate.

      That’s even before you get to the intense bombardment of mass media, fixating on everything from Ukraine to Crime Wave to razor blades in candy to whatever the hotbutton gaff of the evening happens to be.

      I don’t think anyone is hearing crickets. More that we’re trying to hear a finely tuned orchestra under the sound of exploding bombs.

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      Technically, yes, per the STOCK Act. But there’s a loophole for Congress.

      It doesn’t count as “insider trading” for them if the information they use is based on bills they are passing as a part of their job.

      Democrats have repeatedly tried to pass a law to ban this loophole as well, such as Adam Schiff from January of this year, but Republicans always vote such bills down or have them die in committee.