Speaking at a news conference in Doha, Qatar, alongside Qatar’s prime minister and minister of foreign affairs, Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, Mr. Blinken said that “a deal was on the table that was virtually identical” to one that Hamas put forward on May 6.

At some point, he said, “you have to question whether they’re proceeding in good faith or not.”

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    Why is it hard to believe that the people who started this war don’t actually want it to end

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      What?

      I agree with that (except calling this genocide a war).

      Israel started it decades ago, and openly keep saying they won’t let it end until their genocide is finished.

      They don’t want it to end yet, because there’s still Palestinians alive in Gaza.

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        Israel started it? Who was it that invaded the day after the British protectorate ended? Oh right, not Israel. Instead they got invaded by all of the neighbouring arab countries who didn’t like the UN approved borders.

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          the day after the British protectorate ended?

          That’s a weird place to start the clock…

          Like, you understand that wasn’t that long after that land was all Palestine and the people who had lived there for generations had just been forced out with violence?

          That’s like if you robbed someone but instead of leaving you just stayed in their house and made them live in the backyard for months while threatening them at gunpoint…

          Then one day you sold the gun.

          Would you be surprised the family took the opportunity to get their house back?

          What do you expect that family to do if your brother was the Sheriff and the cops took your side?

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            What other starting point makes sense?

            Jewish people had been there just as long as the Muslim population, they both have 1000+ year histories in that region.

            The Ottoman empire (which controlled the region and a lot more) collapsed after WW1 due to a myriad of reasons, including losing the war. It was split up among some of the allied countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

            Because that’s what happens when you lose a war.

            If we’re talking about returning land that changed hands during/after WW1, there’s going to be about a thousand more border changes than just for Israel. Massive swaths of Europe changed hands over that period.

            Specifically, if you want Israel to hand land back, does that mean that Finland needs to be handed back to the Russians? They owned the country (and a bunch of other countries) prior to the end of WW1.

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            There hasn’t been a sovereign and native state on that land since the Roman conquest of Judea lmfao

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              Nope, but there has been a native population, blood thirsty colonizer.

              The land wasn’t empty. You don’t get to pretend it was.

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                So your position is that it’s more legitimate for someone to live there because their ancestors moved there under the Ottomans rather than people whose ancestors lived there before the Romans and moved back under the British?

                I don’t give a fuck about any of that. What I care about is that the Jewish militias were happy to accept sharing the land with a Palestinian state, while the Palestinians decided that any possible Israeli state was unacceptable and declared war.

                The entire conflict stems from their inability to accept peaceful coexistence.

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          Says the individual trying to circumspectly justify genocide.

          Any government intentionally withholding food, medicine, and potable water to a population it considers undesirable is a government intentionally committing genocide.

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            Says the individual trying to pretend that this is a genocide and blaming the defender for the war lol

            TIL allowing thousands of calories of food aid in per person per day is “withholding food”

            Words don’t mean anything any more. Up is down, black is white, and feeding civilians is genocide

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              Controlling the borders and allowing in thousands of calories when hundreds of thousands or millions of calories are needed for the population is in fact genocide.

              It’s not hard to understand unless you’re intentionally trying to justify genocide.

              Most genocidaires in history don’t stop food completely, but let in a minimal amount of food to encourage infighting.

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                One person does not mean millions of calories per day, they need thousands. I believe the total food aid allowed into Gaza is around 3000 calories per person per day.

                GeNoCiDe

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                  Only if you believe the government caught lying multiple times in this war unconditionally.

                  Non-biased sources say that it is closer to 245 calories per day.

                  https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/people-northern-gaza-forced-survive-245-calories-day-less-can-beans-oxfam

                  Also, and this isn’t about the conflict, but people arguing in good faith don’t confuse per capita measurements with gross measurements and call the people making that point in one stupid for using those figures consistently. That just makes you an asshole.

                  ClEvEDaWnY

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                    The math doesn’t add up. If Gazans are receiving 245 calories a day and about half the food trucks they need, then either the former or the latter is incorrect. LMAO

                    But really, Gaza should have probably thought about how to feed their own populace before starting a war of aggression. It’s not exactly Israel’s job to feed a hostile populace which declared war on them. I’m simply glad that they’re allowing food trucks in. It’s better than most would have done and empowers their enemies.