They initiated the end, but it was already on its way out. Being a libertarian was the last straw. Libertarianism is selfish, privileged bullshit. There is honestly no way to maintain a friendship when you’re a leftist that believes in community and people, and the opposing party is a libertarian that only ever thinks about themselves.
Sorry to hear that they initiated the end of the friendship. I disagree that there’s “no way” for libertarians and liberals to be friends still. Libertarianism doesn’t mean “super right wing” like some people think - it means small federal government and strong, but also small local government. The ideas are more about it being your own personal responsibility to take care of a neighbor in need, not the government’s. Not saying that this is right or wrong to believe in, but I do see that there are arguments to be made in favor and against this idealogy.
My friend and I have been friends for a while. I’ve seen myself as fairly centrist but lately voting more liberal. He’s seen himself as libertarian and seems to always vote right. We have interesting conversations about politics and philosphy, but we also don’t let it get in the way of enjoying games and hobbies outside of politics.
My experience as a leftist with libertarians in the US is that they are selfish. Every libertarian I’ve known has been privileged enough to hold views that benefit them and leave other more vulnerable citizens in the wake of it all. They sit back and wax poetic about Jordan Peterson and come to conclusions that don’t move the needle anywhere. Pushing out platitudes that solve nothing and talk about philosophy. If being a libertarian means you help your neighbors in need, I don’t see it. I see leftist communities doing that more than any libertarian. One of the nicknames I have for the libertarian brand of centrism that I’ve observed is “militant centrism”. Basically people arguing to keep things the way they were and rejecting ideas that would strive to change society to benefit a wider array of people and not just themselves.
That’s fair. My personal experience is people identifying as libertarian online have been fairly intolerable, and some but not all I’ve met IRL that identified as such have been good people. YMMV I suppose lol.
Not to mention schools release at like 2:30. Need your kid taken care of after that? It’ll be a few hundred $/mo for an after-school program. Sorry working parents.
God yes me too. I didn’t even realize until I came out of university. A 9-5 job is a 9-5:30 job over here (we have a mandatory lunch break of at least 30 minutes if you work more than 6 hours a day, 45 if more than 9). Now calculate in the commute and if you’re lucky you’re at a 8:15-6:15 job.
Technically I’m supposed to have 30 minutes unpaid lunch. However, no one really does. It gets paid. We just hit “no” on the time clock for the “uninterrupted 30 minutes lunch”.
I hate the term 9 to 5, know why?
Because who the fuck is getting a paid lunch these days? It’s like that quietly went away in the 2000’s and no one complained.
How do you feel about unions?
Why should lazy people get the same pay as me when I work so hard? /s
I had a friend that shifted super libertarian and refused to join a union because of this. We are no longer friends.
You two are no longer friends due to a difference of opinions?
They initiated the end, but it was already on its way out. Being a libertarian was the last straw. Libertarianism is selfish, privileged bullshit. There is honestly no way to maintain a friendship when you’re a leftist that believes in community and people, and the opposing party is a libertarian that only ever thinks about themselves.
Sorry to hear that they initiated the end of the friendship. I disagree that there’s “no way” for libertarians and liberals to be friends still. Libertarianism doesn’t mean “super right wing” like some people think - it means small federal government and strong, but also small local government. The ideas are more about it being your own personal responsibility to take care of a neighbor in need, not the government’s. Not saying that this is right or wrong to believe in, but I do see that there are arguments to be made in favor and against this idealogy.
My friend and I have been friends for a while. I’ve seen myself as fairly centrist but lately voting more liberal. He’s seen himself as libertarian and seems to always vote right. We have interesting conversations about politics and philosphy, but we also don’t let it get in the way of enjoying games and hobbies outside of politics.
My experience as a leftist with libertarians in the US is that they are selfish. Every libertarian I’ve known has been privileged enough to hold views that benefit them and leave other more vulnerable citizens in the wake of it all. They sit back and wax poetic about Jordan Peterson and come to conclusions that don’t move the needle anywhere. Pushing out platitudes that solve nothing and talk about philosophy. If being a libertarian means you help your neighbors in need, I don’t see it. I see leftist communities doing that more than any libertarian. One of the nicknames I have for the libertarian brand of centrism that I’ve observed is “militant centrism”. Basically people arguing to keep things the way they were and rejecting ideas that would strive to change society to benefit a wider array of people and not just themselves.
I have met very, very few reasonable libertarians. So I don’t blame them.
That’s fair. My personal experience is people identifying as libertarian online have been fairly intolerable, and some but not all I’ve met IRL that identified as such have been good people. YMMV I suppose lol.
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Also if everyone is 9 to 5, how does anyone do any errands if they close at the same time they do?
Well, personally I’ve found that to be a bit of a problem, so for some of us it is that we don’t, unless we take like half a day off.
Not to mention schools release at like 2:30. Need your kid taken care of after that? It’ll be a few hundred $/mo for an after-school program. Sorry working parents.
A few hundred a month? I wish.
Simple: the 9-to-5 opening hours are not for the 9-to-5 workers, their services are for the ruling class who doesn’t work 9-to-5.
My last job was 9 to 5 with an hour paid lunch. Unfortunately they had to shut down once covid hit.
God yes me too. I didn’t even realize until I came out of university. A 9-5 job is a 9-5:30 job over here (we have a mandatory lunch break of at least 30 minutes if you work more than 6 hours a day, 45 if more than 9). Now calculate in the commute and if you’re lucky you’re at a 8:15-6:15 job.
9-5 doesn’t include a paid lunch. It’s 8 hours without a break
I work 8-5 when I’m lucky.
I’ve never even been offered 9-5… It’s always been 8-5.
Technically I’m supposed to have 30 minutes unpaid lunch. However, no one really does. It gets paid. We just hit “no” on the time clock for the “uninterrupted 30 minutes lunch”.
It went away way before that.