• Zloubida@lemmy.world
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      15 hours ago

      I don’t think atheism is central to anarchism. Opposition to religion (in its institutional and hierarchical form) is, but not belief in a higher being per se.

      Anarchism can make Christianity non-authoritarian, and Christianity can teach anarchism how to be spiritual. Of course nor anarchism nor Christianity need each other, but I like how they complete each other.

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        You can certainly hamfist Christianity into supporting whatever political opinion you want, as is Christian tradition.

        Generally I don’t like supernatural beliefs and the idea of a god makes me throw up but you do you.

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          Please ignore me if you think my question is uncalled-for, but your answer surprises me. I get agnosticism and atheism from a philosophical point of view, even if philosophically I stand in the theist side. I get the feeling of disgust when one studies history and actuality of religions, even if I think it’s kind of a limited, one-sided view. But disgust for the mere idea of the existence of God seems… a bit extreme. What did you mean?

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        8 hours ago

        Not to mention quakers often gave communists spaces to organise in and hold meetings.

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        8 hours ago

        There have been Christian anarchists. Jacques Ellul comes to mind. His book on propaganda is pretty good.

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          8 hours ago

          Yeah I like him, even if he had bad stances on some subjects (like Israel or abortion). He’s too much on the evangelical side to me, even if he was not an actual evangelical. But was right on sooooo much subjects!

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            8 hours ago

            I never got in to deep on his personal stances on certain issues, I thought the book propaganda was good though. I think lots of thinkers of his time had bad stances on Isreal though.

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              I think lots of thinkers of his time had bad stances on Isreal though.

              I mean its a fairly consistent view on utopian socialists (anarchists included), its social imperialism.

              Kibbutz are the wet dream of utopian socialists, small self-organized enclaves built on stolen land and, of course, subsidized, what’s not to like for the average western leftist! The genocide and displacement of the indigenous peopoe is handled by others so you get to feel morally good too.