• Impound4017@sh.itjust.works
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        Let’s not forget that they create charitable ‘foundations’ which then work with lawmakers to create legislation, thus giving themselves greater influence over the relevant laws as well.

  • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I don’t like the term “free healthcare”, because most of us would be paying for it in taxes, it would be more accurate to call it “socialized healthcare”.

    Saying “I want free healthcare” allows the media to twist your words and make you look like some “entitled brat” that “want everything for free”.

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      Keep it simple and call it “healthcare”. No need to qualify it with anything.

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        It healthcare has a own risk (literal translation, I’m not sure about the English term) in which the first costs are out of pocket until you reach a certain amount (400-800 depending on your insurance package).

        So it’s not ‘free’ as you don’t pay for all of it, but you can’t go into crippling debt over medical payments.

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        The ones who still think Obamacare and ACA are different things definitely need a catchy label and marketing if they’re gonna vote for it.

        Or just lie to them, their own leaders have learned it doesn’t matter what you tell them. Call it the “everyone gets a puppy” Bill or whatever. Then tell them they got a free puppy. They won’t know they didn’t.

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          This is exactly what we need to do. Its literally the only way to combat a populace that simply does not want to be educated. Just fuckin lie, then post your actual platform online. People who actually care will read it, everyone else will think that the dems are campaigning on eliminating the sun to cool the earth during the summer, and during the winter well just tow a new sun to orbit.

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        Counter-point: calling it universal/single-payer distinguishes it from what we have now. Which I would argue isn’t actually healthcare, at least by modern standards in other countries…

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          Yeah, we don’t have healthcare. We have profit-motivated health insurance. We pay in case we get injured or sick, and they only profit if they find a legitimate way to not cover us when we get injured or sick, so they try their damnedest to do that.

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        The government doesn’t have any money. They decide how to spend our taxes…

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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          The government doesn’t get money from taxes. It prints money, the taxes are how it removes money from circulation.

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      12 hours ago

      Thats the problem. The media and too much of the usa wouldnt accept “socialized healthcare” becuase that sounds like socialism and enough people arent educated enough to know what that really means

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    In countries with government provided healthcare for all, we still do dance marathons to pay for bits of it. Ugh maybe it’s just the UK.

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      In my country there are multiple foundations and charity events, but these mainly aim to equip hostpitals rather than fund care. New equipment costs a lot in quantity hospitals need, and on gov money it would slowly trickle in. Meanwhile such events and foundations can greatly boost the speed of modernization.

      There are aims to help with care funding, but that’s pretty much explicitly cancer cases where we need top-of-the-line treatments that are not available on public healthcare.

      • smokebuddy [he/him]@lemmy.today
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        the last Leafs game I was watching had an ad from Scarborough General Hospital begging for money and a Dug Ford ad big upping how easy it is to get care in Ontario in the same commercial break

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    Charity is our choice. Taxes are the force of the government. Everything you want funded by others should be funded by charity. We shouldn’t be forced to pay for each other’s choices.

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      Then why are my insurance premiums paying for other people’s illnesses? Why don’t I get to decide how and when my insurance pays out? It’s my insurance paid with my money. Also, who keeps building all these roads and bridges with my tax money? I shouldn’t be forced to pay for infrastructure I don’t use just because someone chose to live somewhere else!

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        Insurance is a protection racket made to benefit a small cadre. They just managed to sneak it in to law and make the government require it. And you’re correct, you shouldn’t be forced to pay for something you’ll never use.

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          So your plan is to let poor sick people die, the same plan as the insurance companies, interesting. And it’s safe to assume you only use roads that you personally build and maintain, right?

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      Nobody chooses to get cancer. But everybody benefits from a society that lifts others up instead of kicks them when they’re down. If you don’t believe in helping other people then you’re just a sad individual.

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      Don’t use roads or sidewalks or parks or eat food or buy anything that has to follow safety regulations then.

      And never sue anyone ever. Courts are expensive!

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        The stuff the government does that he likes is the will of the people. The parts he is trained to think are bad are forced on him.

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          No, it’s all done by force if it’s paid for by taxes, whether I like it or not. It’s just whether I’d have chosen to contribute or paid a private business.

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            Paying a business to do everything is how we got mining towns that paid their workers in company money that can only be used at company stores.

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      This is an acceptable thing to believe if you’re a teenager or younger. Past that it’s just embarrassing.