Genocide experts? How many Genocides did they commit to get that title.
South Africa really supports protecting the Palestinians from this genocide so at least 1
I read that as historians
They are specialists, like Michael Burnham.
Look, the point is that you can’t believe the thousands of videos of Israel geocoding people. And you can’t believe the dozens (or more) videos of them saying it on their local television talkshows. It’s simply too complicated, you fucking nitwits. Now tow the party line; we have a genocide to help them complete.
FYI, it’s “toe” the line, as in you put your toe on the line when you fall in order. It’s a nautical term, since crews would line up on specific boards on the deck of a ship.
Western Conservatives: They are commiting genocide 👍👍💯❤️😁
I haven’t heard any liberals trying to “both sides” the issue. I have heard Republicans expressing their support for the genocide though.
You didn’t hear the US state dept repeatedly claiming “Israel has a right to defend itself” for 6 straight months after the Hamas attack? They still won’t let corpo media use the term genocide, some high profile reporters have even resigned over it.
Corrupt govt actions does not equal how everyday liberals feel. Come on.
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I see people agreeing it’s complex, because it is. But the majority of liberals I see, across multiple mediums, are against this. Not all of course, %100 of a group rarely does something, but anyone in these comments both siding this while also just oddly admitting to being liberal are not the majority.
You haven’t been to Lemmy.world then, lol.
Reddits r/worldnews sub is probably the worst.
It’s likely that the use of “Western Liberals” here is meant to include both major US political parties.
My brother in Christ, our president is literally Joedolf “if there wasn’t an Israel, we would have to invent an Israel to secure our interests in the region” Bidler.
You won’t see many of us both side shit regarding this. It’s an attempt to genocide, pretty easy. What you will see are people, often very angry, who immediately make assumptions, claim we are genocide lovers, and refuse to listen to literally anything, including their target agreeing with them. Tbh part of me feels as if Republicans are in the comment sections trying to split hairs and widen divisions at times.
People are going to argue with you, probably post the one video link in existence
I mean, it is a complex issue, and there are two sides of it. One of the sides is doing a genocide. The other side makes attacks when they can, killing much smaller numbers. If suddenly the power balance switched, I’m not convinced Hamas wouldn’t go for doing a genocide.
What actually matters here is that nobody should be doing genocides, both sides have reason to say, “they started it!”, and it’s not going to end until both sides can accept that yes, shit happened, bad things were intentionally done by people, and everyone needs to move on, or there will be another round, and another, and another, and another…
Hamas would definitely flip the script and start ‘genocidin, that’s the express goal of the organization, in their own words. The complete destruction of the Israeli state, through any means necessary.
I honestly don’t even disagree with that goal, Israel should never have existed in its current capacity in the first place. But I can’t pretend that one theofascist state is better than another.
I get and agree with the spirit but “western liberals” doesn’t mean anything
I hear Americans use the term liberal all the time but the way they use it makes me think we’re talkibg about different things
It does. Literally the president of the United States as a prime example.
See, based on what you mean by liberal, I don’t know whether that means “the current potus is a dem” or “of course because everyone is a liberal there”
everyone is a liberal there
Do you mean everyone in the US is a liberal? No I don’t believe that nor did I imply it. I only mentioned the president.
The conflict in terms comes from what in Europe mostly describes the social axes. Social liberalism is very different from what in America usually refers to economically neo-liberals who are basically late stage capitalists
It’s the opposite you mean, in Europe liberal and neoliberal are basically synonyme, while in the US the libs are the people dying their hair in pink
“We understand this is a hard one to swallow, but the
Mossad handlersAIPAC lobbyists told us that the Palestinians all spontaneously killed themselves after blowing up their homes. On the one hand, that’s obviously bullshit. But on the other, they give us SO MUCH MONEY.”There are two sides. One side supports genocide, the other side does not. It’s pretty clear tbh
Hamas supports genocide against Jews. I think that’s the essence of the complexity, both sides of the conflict seek the eradication of the other. If we removed all weapons and defenses from Israel it wouldn’t be enough to stop the bloodshed, it would just change which people were dying. The first step to a lasting peace is to end the genocide in Gaza, but it will take many more steps to reach the goal.
Hamas supports genocide against Jews
They have continuously denied these claims. What you are referencing was their manifesto when they were a fringe group that most Palestinians opposed. Hamas has long withdrawn that document
Was the 2017 revision fully ratified? Even the revised charter seeks the destruction of Israel. To me it seems obvious that religion underscores the conflict, but even viewed as a territorial dispute, it’s clear that lasting peace is a challenging puzzle.
this is stupid, because it can be (and probably often is) both, a genocide and a complex issue. acknowledging the complexity of a situation that grew 80 years into this doesn’t mean you swipe an ongoing genocide under the rug or have to be complicit.
The simple issue is that this is genocide. Full stop.
And we should stop it. After that, let’s look into the complex issue you’re trying to raise. Conflating the two is how people justify doing nothing.
Stopping Israel from doing anything would mean opening them to limitless attacks by the Hamas, who are the whole reason this war is happening in the first place.
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if you stop the “genocide”, innocent people will still die (Oct 7).
This implies genocide started after October 7th. Please do basic research on the issue and you’ll find that’s not true. I’m happy to provide you links if you need.
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And you are implying that people fighting back against a genocidal aparthied state is equivalent to said genocide.
It does get complicated when Hamas claims to want the death or displacement of all the Jews in Israel. Both peoples have been failed by their leadership. You can’t fight back against one genocide with a different genocide and expect anything to improve.
Hamas is a creation of Israel’s genocide and aparthied. Eliminate the genocide and aparthied, and Hamas is forced to either change character or crumble.
This is an unequal conflict in every measure, equalizing the sides is genocide denial.
You want it to be complicated given you’re citing a claim from the last century that has been withdrawn, and Hamas has undergone a massive shift since. Moreover, no matter how bad Hamas is, it does not excuse genocide. So no, it is not complicated when we identify a genocide.
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Oct. 7th happened because there has been a genocide for the last century.
There’s a difference between being a genocide and a complex issue, and using that it’s a complex issue to justify/overlook a genocide
U lOvE gEnOcIdE tHeN
-an asshole who would burn down his country to supposedly make a point
Source for all those people saying that?
On Experts saying it, this is one example: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-expert-says-israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-calls-arms-embargo-2024-03-26/
On Israel saying it, this has enough for you to start your research: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724
Multiple sources in fact. Just tune into Israeli TV or social media for a few minutes…
That’s not how citing sources works.
I don’t really engage with Zionists or apartheid/genocide deniers. There’s no debating them.
You know, not everybody that asks for information has ill intentions.
🤷 a gross majority have Ill intentions. I’m not here to do the work for others especially since I’m visually impaired…
Yeah I also love to claim something then tell the others to just go look for sources themselves and in the end say my opinion is undebatable. Checkmate, huh?
Long term political stability in the region might be complex. Opposing genocide shouldn’t be.
i mean, yeah it is complex. It’s fucking war.
War isn’t simple. Let alone war with history, and multiple decades, coming up to a century worth of history soon.
This war is the kindergarten equivalent of “no i said it first”
It being a war doesn’t negate the simple conclusion that it is a genocide. If you have reason to deny that, you should provide proper reasoning rather than the hand wavy “it’s a war, surely it has to be complex!”. There are complex aspects to a war that do not negate the simplicity of classifying it as a genocide. The conclusion is simple due to the mountains of undeniable evidence.
What gets me is people who throw a fit when you point Hamas isn’t exactly awesome, even if they are fighting for very justified reasons
Wait, you mean the conflict can’t be broken down into one simple tweet from some random woman?
The tweet does not claim to summarize the entire conflict, but only promote the undeniable fact that it is a genocide.
you mean to tell me the conflict that started officially in the year 1948 has nearly 70 years of history up to now, and has many involved parties, all of whom reside in the middle east, which is notorious for calm conflict resolution?
Search the web for “maximize Palestinian casualties”
“BoTh SiDeS”
This comment section proves the meme so cleanly lol - anything to avoid calling it genocide and anything to give Israel a pass for doing it.
