• orcrist@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    The simple issue is that this is genocide. Full stop.

    And we should stop it. After that, let’s look into the complex issue you’re trying to raise. Conflating the two is how people justify doing nothing.

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      3 months ago

      Stopping Israel from doing anything would mean opening them to limitless attacks by the Hamas, who are the whole reason this war is happening in the first place.

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        3 months ago

        if you stop the “genocide”, innocent people will still die (Oct 7).

        This implies genocide started after October 7th. Please do basic research on the issue and you’ll find that’s not true. I’m happy to provide you links if you need.

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            3 months ago

            And you are implying that people fighting back against a genocidal aparthied state is equivalent to said genocide.

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              3 months ago

              It does get complicated when Hamas claims to want the death or displacement of all the Jews in Israel. Both peoples have been failed by their leadership. You can’t fight back against one genocide with a different genocide and expect anything to improve.

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                Hamas is a creation of Israel’s genocide and aparthied. Eliminate the genocide and aparthied, and Hamas is forced to either change character or crumble.

                This is an unequal conflict in every measure, equalizing the sides is genocide denial.

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                  3 months ago

                  I’m not saying anything is equal, I’m saying it’s complicated. Absolutely Israel must end the genocide and apartheid, but I really don’t think that’s all it would take to end hostilities. There needs to be a rebuilding, both of infrastructure and trust. I don’t see how that can happen under Israel or Gaza’s governments, they are being failed by their leadership.

                  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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                    3 months ago

                    Any government of Palestine will be radically against Israel. It doesn’t matter who is in charge, the people of Gaza are dying rapidly.

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                  3 months ago

                  I’m not sure where you see any evidence of Hamas needing to change if they theoretically won the conflict. They absolutely would inflict a genocide of given the chance. To deny this is naive at best but most certainly just dishonest.

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                3 months ago

                You want it to be complicated given you’re citing a claim from the last century that has been withdrawn, and Hamas has undergone a massive shift since. Moreover, no matter how bad Hamas is, it does not excuse genocide. So no, it is not complicated when we identify a genocide.