• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    8 months ago

    There are online self-proclaimed leftists who simp for the totalitarian Soviet regime, and often for China as well. The slang term for them is ‘tankies’. Generally speaking, they’re the ones you see online spreading the “Ukraine has to compromise for Russia’s Legitimate Security Concerns!” The hammer-and-sickle is there to represent them.

    It’s very bizarre, considering that most leftists I know, even the ones I butt heads with, recognize that Putin’s Russia is an imperialist and fascist state. But no one has ever accused tankies of being consistent.

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      8 months ago

      Don’t worry, some tankie will be along to correct you that Russia doesn’t meet the exact textbook definition of Fascism, so it is actually a utopia.

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        My favorite incorrect definition for tankies is, they dont actually like communism, they just like tanks.

        They like “dictatorships of the proletariat,” and if they think that is given to them by Daddy Big Boots, then theyll simp for him hard as they can.

        Absolutely loving the pushback against their shit here on .world, it was getting bleak there for a minute…

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          Yeah. Tankies in most places are absolutely inconsequential, but they’re very prominent on the Fediverse. It’s good to push back against the poisonous parts of their ideology (like ‘Imperialism is good if it’s a capitalist state that’s not part of the West doing it’).

          Would hate to see that kind of vile fascist shit normalized on here.

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            8 months ago

            Yep, authoritarianism and imperialism is wrong left or right. The United States has a horrible track record on this front it’s true. But they’ll lose their shit when you state a simple fact like ML nations are generally just as bad. Russia basically invaded and forcefully annexed many nations post WWII. Tried to invade Afghanistan. Imprisoned and slaughtered millions in Siberian prisons to this very day even. All for simple dissent. Nivalny anyone? China isn’t really any better either.

            They usually break into a sputtering revelry of “But imperialists and the west did X”. Which you can easily tear apart with a simple “And?”. Because it doesn’t justify them doing it.

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              Id still argue that tankies and authoritarians of all kinds dont fit in in the left, but otherwise agreed.

              I want a society thats classless, cashless, stateless. Currency, billionaires, socioeconomic classes, dictators dont fit.

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                8 months ago

                Same here. It’s a long road. And unfortunately ml and tankies specifically have set us back on it quite a bit. But the evolution Karl Marx originally spoke about is absolutely worth continuing to pursue.

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          8 months ago

          Absolutely loving the pushback

          And it’s being replaced with liberalism - which is every bit as bad.

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        8 months ago

        …in the most verbose way possible, with bonus points for referencing people out of context, cherrypicking their worst takes, or just deferring to lunatics in a ghish gallop too exhausting to be worth challenging.

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        8 months ago

        “Fascism” is thrown around entirely too much as a term, when it’s just one variety of authoritarianism, which is the term we should be using

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            8 months ago

            Has Putin stated that he’s running a fascist state?

            I have news for you, liberal - strengthening, enabling and exploiting fascist elements within a capitalist state to protect the status quo existing within said capitalist state is not a fascist thing to do. It’s a liberal thing to do. That is literally how fascists get into power in the first place - they can’t get into power by themselves.

            Is this a difficult thing to understand? I’d say it’s quite simple.

            Also… good luck with the whole “putler” thing. Somehow, I don’t see that taking off.