• sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    33·
    6 个月前

    Aside from aesthetics, I don’t want any cyberpunk. I’m not sure I can handle even a dash of “I slot this chip in my head to behave like this dead celebrity so other people can fuck my body, but on the plus side I’m not aware of it while it’s happening”.

    Sign me up for solarpunk tho.

    • HRDS_654@lemmy.world
      16·
      6 个月前

      I mean, it’s supposed to be a dystopian world. You’re not supposed to want the world they’re giving you, hence the “punk” part. Too many people ignore that punk movements are meant to fight against an established system. That’s what punk is. When you say something is solarpunk or steampunk you are implying a downside to the established order. If nobody is rebelling it’s not punk.

    • hash@lemmy.worldOP
      5·
      6 个月前

      Personally I see appeal in virtual worlds and a bit of the asthetic. But putting screens on everything isn’t sustainable at all. I guess cyberpunk is a sufficiently abstract concept for everyone to have their own qualifiers for what counts.

      • sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        6 个月前

        Virtual worlds are fine. Less so the armed gangs stealing cybernetics out of living people. And corporations doing the usual corporation thing.

    • thesmokingman@programming.dev
      71·
      6 个月前

      The manifesto is a good and quick read. Steven Levy’s Crypto covers the movement a bit too. It’s a bit strange to use it in this context because there’s not much more to it than PoC or GTFO, communication is key, encryption for everyone. You can’t really replace a more complete paradigm like cyberpunk with cypherpunk. I’d even go so far as to say you can’t combine solar and cypherpunk because cypherpunk is a direct response to the misuse of tech and government whereas solarpunk is about great government tech without the negativity.

    • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world
      161·
      6 个月前

      It is. The difference is cyberpunk is “this is what will happen if we don’t fight back against the system” and Solarpunk is “this is what we could have if we DO fight back against the system”.

      • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works
        31·
        6 个月前

        There are also problems in solarpunk worlds, they’re just different from our own present day issues. It’s like, we solved the climate crisis, but there is still an ever expanding frontier of injustice to rally against.

        It only looks like a Utopia if you have 000 hope for the future

      • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        6 个月前

        Solarpunk is often displayed as pretty post apocalyptic, but in a green, scrapper, free way

    • 9point6@lemmy.world
      161·
      6 个月前

      Solarpunk seems positioned pretty firmly against the established corporate world. If being anti-establishment isn’t punk, I’m not sure what is.

          • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            6 个月前

            I get what they’re saying though. It’s so unimaginable that we switch to sustainable tech with the current economic and political apparatus as-is, that it makes that kind of post-climate-crisis world seem Utopic.

            Anyway solar punk is about the audacity of imagining a future where we win on even that one tiny point, if not (necessarily) dismantling capitalism, fixing inequity, fascism, etc etc.

    • zeekaran@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      21·
      6 个月前

      You know how the stuff -gate means scandal? -punk means fictional genre, or aesthetic.

      • Jake Farm@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        3·
        6 个月前

        Maybe now but that is not what it meant in the 80s when cyberpunk and cypherpunk were coined. I am sure the punks are quite pissed off that their movement has been reduced to an aesthetic.