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- Greta did get a nomination, just not for director.
- Margot didn’t, but America did.
- Ryan Gosling was the best part of Barbie, partly because of the writing which, again, WAS nominated.
- This is not “the patriarchy;” it was a really strong year for those two categories.
but America did
What does this mean?
America Ferrera is an actress in the movie.
I guess I was a little too patriotic in mind there 😅.
I ain’t even American and I was hella confused. I guess I can’t moan too much, it is a movies instance after all.
MERICA NOMINATION YEEEHAWWW
You have to put 2 spaces after each line to force the next sentence into a new line.
Greta is the snub, Margot did a good job but nothing stellar. Ryan Gosling stole every scene he was in.
Edit: and the meme actually ignores that the plot is actually gender neutral. It applies to everyone, not just Barbie.
I think there were a couple bits about women in particular
Barbies don’t have bits though
I can see you didn’t finish watching the film.
Barbies. Plural.
Which begs the question, how tf Midge got pregnant? Or is she an anomaly in Barbieland?
nah get outta here
It was Ken’s movie and Barbie was only starring in it.
He showed us all we’re Kenough.
Margot did a good job but nothing stellar
I kinda thought the writers made her character meh on purpose to show young girls that while stereotypical Barbie is a cool toy, she’s not really someone they should aspire to be
Men getting credit for women’s accomplishments is the plot of barbie? I thought it was about how expectations and rules for gender identity and roles hurts everyone. That then expands on how women specifically feel a unique pressure to be an impossible ideal of everything all at once.
No, the plot is barbie not getting an oscar nomination while Ken did
Why not both?
What actresses got nominated? You realize it might be possible there were better actresses from other movies?
And maybe Ryan was a lot better than most other actors.
Strong performances this year:
Nominees:
Annette Bening - Nyad
Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon
Sandra Hüller - Anatomy of a Fall
Carey Mulligan - Maestro
Emma Stone - Poor Things
It’s like people making the complaint forgot that there were other movies with women in them.
Need to see Anatomy and Maestro but Emma deserves that shit
Honestly, it doesn’t make sense for any of them to get a nom. The film was good, it was enjoyable, but it wasn’t an Oscar film. It wasn’t Gerwig’s best work and it wasn’t Robbie’s best performance. Despite Gosling being one of the best parts of the movie, the pickings for best supporting must have been slim for that to get him a nom for that role.
This is kind of stupid tbh. Margot and Greta are NOT competing against Ryan. They’re competing against other females. This is because of this thing called “categories”.
Ryan getting nominated has NOTHING to do with this. It’s not like Ryan got nominated but they didn’t because he took their place.
This is happening because of the absolute flood of female centric characters and movies that came out recently. There’s too much competition. And much to the “feminists” dismay, Barbie is actually mid compared to the other movies and actresses.
There was 1 female director nominated.
What percentage of directors are female?
I feel like it should be 50% as they make up just over half of the US population.
I could only quickly get statistics for 2019.
https://womenandhollywood.com/resources/statistics/
On the top 100 grossing films of 2019, women represented:
10.7% of directors 19.4% of writers 24.3% of producers 70.4% of casting directors
But it’s not 50%. The goal of equity and equality is laudable, but it doesn’t reflect reality
Right, but it is important to understand the origin of those differences.
They could be prohibition, straight discrimination, social stigma, culture or personal preference. And these are usually linked together and evolve over time. Once prohibition is abolished, discrimination begins. Once discrimination is abolished, social stigma remains… It’s like decaying radioactive elements.
But yeha, if there are 10% female directors and 10% of the winners were female, sounds like there’s no discrimination there. Anyways, even if percentages don’t match it’s important to go in and check if the decisions were fair. What if the 10% of female directors are really really bad for the movies released that year?
Too many variables. Things like these require statistical analysis, social analysis, artistic analysis… Pretty complex. I don’t know.
Cool, it sounded like you were spouting idealist nonsense without recognizing it, but that’s not the case, so fuck yeah! Let’s celebrate underrepresented artistic influence!
Ok. Which directors do you think were snubbed?
I’m responding to op saying greta was beat out by other females. This is factually wrong since there’s only one other female director.
Awesome, thanks for making that clear. Now, which other females do you think should’ve been nomimated? Because if there aren’t any, she was simply beat out by other directors.
I think Greta should have been nominated. I don’t really understand what point you are trying to make. Did you read the original comment where women are getting passed over but men are getting congratulated for theirs and it’s mimicking the Barbie storyline?
They literally compete in different categories and an actress from Barbie did get nominated. The ones that didn’t weren’t snubbed, other women got their place because they were better. Simple as that.
It feels like you’re saying there should be more. I have no idea who’s been nominated, nor do I know most of the films that came out last year, so I’m out of the loop and would like to know if you have any female director movies you’d recommend in place of who’s been nominated.
Barbie was a cultural phenomenon so I would say Greta should at least be nominated. Openheimer was an ok movie in my eyes I didn’t see any of the others. I don’t personally think Barbie was a great movie not a bad movie but more like a good movie. The fact it gave a voice to so many women should mean something.
You said it, it was a cultural phenomenom, not a great movie. Those are two very separate, very different things. That does not mean that the director of the movie was great. It’s more closely related to what Barbie already means (socially) and the marketing campaign.
But why was openheimer nominated, why was Ryan gosling nominated, why were so many movies nominated, not because they’re great acting or writing or movies but because the impact they have on society.
Beause it’s a better movie. Because he was better than other male actors in movies from 2023. That last one I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Which movie was nominated because of its “social impact”?
Oppenheimer is a great movie, though, that’s why it was nominated.
Honestly the Lead Actress Category was stacked this year. Emma Stone played a very similar role but was far more complex. Why are people also forgetting that America Ferrera was also nominated ? Best Director is also a smaller pool than Best Picture where it was nominated. It looks bad on optics but if people actually watched all the movies they would know that each of the actresses nominated deserved it . It’s not like they gave the nomination to a man lol
Gerwig also still got a nomination for the screenplay, so it’s not like she was completely snubbed
As someone that never saw the movie. All the clips, gifs and memes people make about it are the Ken scenes. Nobody talks about barbie presumably because her character and performance were good, but just kinda safe, middle of the road stuff.
I saw a few memes from her but her acting wasn’t middle of the road by any means. She had to do the more dramatic parts and Ryan did almost all the comedy. And we all know comedy does give more material for memeing.
Also I noticed her memes were showing in my wife’s feed so I assume there’s some echo chamber effect going on.
Hot take: none of the performances in the movie are deserving of an Oscar.
Very good point I didn’t consider
Yes.
Can you repeat the question?
Maybe
No
I don’t know
You’re not the boss of me, now
Maybe you just hang out on male spaces and men generally find Ken jokes funnier?
Sigh.
Still “Esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie” for now.
Also, appreciate the sentiment from the picture, but still annoyed people can’t get my name right.
At least it’s not “Margo with a T” this time.
Margeaux
Mary Robby
I believe in you!
You and Rhea Pearlman, just hanging out at the Oscars…
It’s such a shame about their eyesight.
Love cinema, don’t care about Oscars in the slightest.
I’m surprised that Margot Robbie gag account on lemmy hasn’t rung in on this post. Or are they back to obsessing about android phones again? WAKE UP, BOT!
What do you mean gag account that’s actually her.
I crave pasta all of a sudden
ummm…source?
it has her name right there
You do realize that the strike’s been over for a few months and I have work I need to get done now, right?
An esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress? Work? Impossble! They are special, they dont work! /s
Haven’t seen them anywhere in a long while.
Nah I saw them just the other day, they’re around.
Good to hear.
Maybe they are just too sad to comment yet 😭
It’s just weird people here expected me to joke about this.
I mean I always knew that Oscars were mostly about hype and not actual artistic value but getting offended that the most hyped movie of the year didn’t get all the nominations is just weird. Mattel run multi-million, non traditional marketing campaign and got a lot of people exited about the movie. It doesn’t say anything about the acting or directing in it.
The Oscars have ALWAYS been bullshit. The best films of a given year rarely get nominated let alone win. Barbie made a boatload of money and Gerwig will be able to make at least a few risky projects based on its success. I wish we would all collectively ignore the Oscars because the academy contributes so little to the art of film
Yup, very often the “winner” is determined because it’s their “turn” or they deserve it more so than what they did that actual year. Leonardo Di Capero (SP?) for a great example.
I also propose Jaime Lee Curtis last year, definitely felt more like a lifetime achievement oscar than that particular role
Not always, remember how they snobbed Chadwick Boseman?
I think the thousands of people in the Academy who vote on these movies probably beg to differ with your assessment of how the awards get handed out.
And kids in high school will tell you they voted for the person the would make the best class president…
Of course somehow that always seems to be the most popular person… Hmmm
Why is he claiming that Gerwig got no nomination? Is he stupid?
Best Picture goes to the person as a Producer, not a Director.
So, yeah, if it wins, she’ll be on stage for producing the film, but not directing it.
She’s also nominated for best screenplay and Barbie really doesn’t deserve an Oscar for the directing anyways
I dunno, the musical numbers and the giant beach battle look to have been pretty challenging from a directing perspective.
I’m not saying it’s badly directed but in comparison to Poor Things, Killers of the Flower Moon and Anatomy of a Fall it’s lacking. And I thought it was better than Oppenheimer, but not for the directing.
Kind of a weird thing for him to say imo. It’s not like they got snubbed, this year was just really stacked, and the other nominations being filled with other incredibly talented women shows that. Be happy for them, don’t put a damper on their achievements because you’re upset that your co-star didn’t get nominated.
Obviously I get that he can’t help how he feels, but making this whole statement just feels like an odd choice.
I don’t follow your logic.
He’s saying that without the leading actors of the film being who they are - simply, the extremely talented people they they are - he wouldn’t have had a movie in which to act (the Barbie movie) to shine and gain the honor of being nominated.
More to the point, him being nominated when they are not, is, in and of itself, ironic; on several levels.
His entire sentiment here is that they should have had recognition for their roles in a very culturally relevant film, in which they did really great work. They commanded the screen in a way that few can. The entire thing pivots around the leading characters.
Honestly, I couldn’t give two fucks about how stacked the year was. If you examine mentions of films in news, social media, and other sources where people discuss movies, the Barbie movie would be mentioned a lot more than pretty much any other. And yet, the headlining character, played by an amazingly talented young woman, didn’t get nominated?
Bluntly, I’m surprised his comments were this restrained. If I was in his shoes I would have told them to take their nomination and shove it. It clearly doesn’t mean anything if they won’t even give a nomination to Margot. Her performance was picture perfect as far as I’m concerned.
