Raz Segal (Hebrew: רז סגל) is an Israeli historian residing in the United States who directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program at Stockton University
In the linked above article, he walks through the definition of genocide, and the actions taken. It fits the definition.
Average person says it’s a genocide: “It’s not a genocide! What do you know?”
Literal expert in genocide, who’s also Jewish, says it’s a genocide and gives details why: “Of course it looks like a genocide to them! They’re always looking for genocides!”
An expert in the field has spent a lifetime studying, writing, debating, and thinking about the field. We can survey the course catalog at Stockton on Genocide studies to get a first taste in what a expert would be able to contribute.
These specifically stand out as focuses relevant to our conversation today ‘Witness to Genocide, Genocide War Crimes and Law, War Nationalism and Genocide, Ordinary Evil’… tell me what is your philosophy on Ordinary Evil?
You gave such a thoughtful well crafted response to a person who is clearly being a troll. But thank you for that, at least you provide good reading materials.
I try not to think of them as trolls, more like explain it like I’m five users. Imagine most of the internet is basically sugar hyped toddlers with the attention span of goldfish, and a rough grasp of the English language.
Explain it like I’m 5, is probably still too high a bar. :)
You can think about them whatever you like, doesn’t make them any less trolls. Also they want to get a reaction out of you, and all you are doing is feeding that.
Are you a literalist where all the people fitting the demographic must be killed to the last person in order for it to be literal genocide? Because right now your argument is “Nuh uh! No it isn’t!” with zero backup in the face of historical evidence and the words of an expert. Even in America we committed a genocide of our natives, yet some of them live, some of them were made to move elsewhere, and not all of them were killed off.
It’s abundantly clear you willfully refuse to understand what “genocide” is.
Does studying the occurrences and causes of genocide make you unable to correctly identify them? I would think it to be the opposite, them being able to better identify and understand current genocides or events and actions that might lead to one.
Genocide is a rather simple word. It’s a contraction of geno (race) with cide (murder/killing). Anyone telling you they’ve needed to study the meaning of the word for more than 2 minutes is either a moron or a liar
You have spent more then 2 minutes discussing genocide here with us today, have you not used more then 2 minutes of thought in all your posts?
Writing a book on genocide would take more then 2 minutes.
Writing a catalog of all known genocides would take more then 2 minutes.
Writing up the definition of genocide would take more then 2 minutes, getting two people to agree on a definition would take FOREVER. Getting 152 countries to agree on the definition of genocide would take years…
Taking a complex issue, and being reductive to the point of absurdity isn’t being helpful.
On the contrary, I believe trying to expand a definition to the point of absurdity isn’t helpful.
The idea behind the term genocide is clear and simple: the intent to destroy an ethnicity.
People are trying to call Israels intent to disperse the ethnic Arabs from Palestine a genocide (to add more weight to the crime), when even the UN definition is clear this is not included.
a textbook case of genocide - Raz Segal - JewishCurrents
I’m no genocideoligist, but Raz Segal is.
Raz Segal (Hebrew: רז סגל) is an Israeli historian residing in the United States who directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program at Stockton University
In the linked above article, he walks through the definition of genocide, and the actions taken. It fits the definition.
When you’re a genocideologist everything looks like genocide.
It’s inherent to his genocideology
Average person says it’s a genocide: “It’s not a genocide! What do you know?”
Literal expert in genocide, who’s also Jewish, says it’s a genocide and gives details why: “Of course it looks like a genocide to them! They’re always looking for genocides!”
What do you imagine an ‘expert in genocide’ knows more about genocide than you do?
An expert in the field has spent a lifetime studying, writing, debating, and thinking about the field. We can survey the course catalog at Stockton on Genocide studies to get a first taste in what a expert would be able to contribute.
These specifically stand out as focuses relevant to our conversation today ‘Witness to Genocide, Genocide War Crimes and Law, War Nationalism and Genocide, Ordinary Evil’… tell me what is your philosophy on Ordinary Evil?
https://www.stockton.edu/general-studies/holocaust-and-genocide-studies.html
Raz Segal appears to have done lots of research of the societal bystander effect, where a genocide can happen without anyone getting involved…
You gave such a thoughtful well crafted response to a person who is clearly being a troll. But thank you for that, at least you provide good reading materials.
I try not to think of them as trolls, more like explain it like I’m five users. Imagine most of the internet is basically sugar hyped toddlers with the attention span of goldfish, and a rough grasp of the English language.
Explain it like I’m 5, is probably still too high a bar. :)
You can think about them whatever you like, doesn’t make them any less trolls. Also they want to get a reaction out of you, and all you are doing is feeding that.
Creating content for the lemmy verse :)
One of his lectures, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJH4NDfINE8
he is well spoken, his lecture took more then 2 minutes…
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That’s a long list, but is there anything in there you didn’t figure out yourself?
I’m clearly not as gifted and as well read as you, I have to do research before I know a subject.
That’s a long list, but is there anything in there on genocide you couldn’t figure out yourself?
All of it, the context, the implications, the patterns…
I am not as intelligent and intuitive as you, I have to do research practice, and communicate before I can compete with an expert in a field.
Are you a literalist where all the people fitting the demographic must be killed to the last person in order for it to be literal genocide? Because right now your argument is “Nuh uh! No it isn’t!” with zero backup in the face of historical evidence and the words of an expert. Even in America we committed a genocide of our natives, yet some of them live, some of them were made to move elsewhere, and not all of them were killed off.
It’s abundantly clear you willfully refuse to understand what “genocide” is.
Well the ‘cide’ part refers to ‘killing’
How would you differentiate between ‘forcefully made to move’ and ‘killed’ if you can’t imagine using different words for them?
They have different phrases
Ethnic Cleansing - Clearing a ethnicity from a area
Genocide - The pogrom being persecuted in Gaza now.
Ethnic Cleansing is part of a overall Genocide.
You really should read the article, it clarifies things greatly. https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide.
Stubborn one, aren’t ya.
Does studying the occurrences and causes of genocide make you unable to correctly identify them? I would think it to be the opposite, them being able to better identify and understand current genocides or events and actions that might lead to one.
Genocide is a rather simple word. It’s a contraction of geno (race) with cide (murder/killing). Anyone telling you they’ve needed to study the meaning of the word for more than 2 minutes is either a moron or a liar
You have spent more then 2 minutes discussing genocide here with us today, have you not used more then 2 minutes of thought in all your posts?
Writing a book on genocide would take more then 2 minutes. Writing a catalog of all known genocides would take more then 2 minutes. Writing up the definition of genocide would take more then 2 minutes, getting two people to agree on a definition would take FOREVER. Getting 152 countries to agree on the definition of genocide would take years…
Taking a complex issue, and being reductive to the point of absurdity isn’t being helpful.
On the contrary, I believe trying to expand a definition to the point of absurdity isn’t helpful.
The idea behind the term genocide is clear and simple: the intent to destroy an ethnicity.
People are trying to call Israels intent to disperse the ethnic Arabs from Palestine a genocide (to add more weight to the crime), when even the UN definition is clear this is not included.
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
…
Do you consider the Nakba as genocide?
I’m going to refer you to the genocide scholar article above above. I’m no longer going to debate with you