As an Irish person born in the six counties of Ireland the British claim as “Northern Ireland”, I can assure you that although our identity is complex, we have an international treaty (the Good Friday Agreement) between Britain and Ireland which recognises the residents of this part of Ireland have the right to identify as Irish, OR British OR both.
What’s not in dispute is that Ireland has been partitioned and NI has existed for barely 100 years, and that our accents predate this political divide and are distinctly geographical - people from the island of Ireland have Irish accents
You can identify however you wish no treaty changes that. I’m from the other bit of Britain that didn’t want to leave the EU and the same prime minister that worked out the gfa also gave me my own parliament.
I have my own complex feelings when it comes to my relationship with Britain yet do not identity as British. Those feelings are nowhere near as complex as Ireland.
You admitted it yourself that was all I stated. Like it or not ni is governed by the same central spot and most of the world regards both island as the British Isles even though the roi does not.
Substitute complicated with disputed and I agree lol.
The Irish Government strongly dispute the term British Isles being applied against our wishes to this island, as it was invented to legitimise a land claim, not innocently by any neutral geographic body.
Unlike Scotland we’ve a treaty which now sets out our democratic pathway to getting the British government to finish their withdraw from our island, but we’re no closer to holding the vote (and don’t control the trigger).
Still raw Scotland missed their chance, but that too is a complicated topic!
Yeh I’m pretty salty about it myself. Even more so with the current shit show.
I remember growing up in the 80s and what that was to this day people I know personally directly involved have complex thoughts in the mess.
On the topic of the geographical status of the island I don’t know close enough to anything to have an opinion so am intentionally chasing choosing my words carefully.
Edit apparently autocorrect is less careful on the word choice
No worries, I’m not trying to trick you, you of course are right, it’s complicated.
Back to the original topic, what really gets me is shows like Rings of Power double down on Tolkien classism by accent - intelligent elegant Elf’s in posh English, common men in northern English, rough ginger dwarfs in Scottish and then bottom of the class - mud dwelling, starving savage hobbits with Irish accents
Wrong.
Northern Ireland is brittish. Hence the cimplicated
Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming
As an Irish person born in the six counties of Ireland the British claim as “Northern Ireland”, I can assure you that although our identity is complex, we have an international treaty (the Good Friday Agreement) between Britain and Ireland which recognises the residents of this part of Ireland have the right to identify as Irish, OR British OR both.
What’s not in dispute is that Ireland has been partitioned and NI has existed for barely 100 years, and that our accents predate this political divide and are distinctly geographical - people from the island of Ireland have Irish accents
You can identify however you wish no treaty changes that. I’m from the other bit of Britain that didn’t want to leave the EU and the same prime minister that worked out the gfa also gave me my own parliament.
I have my own complex feelings when it comes to my relationship with Britain yet do not identity as British. Those feelings are nowhere near as complex as Ireland.
You admitted it yourself that was all I stated. Like it or not ni is governed by the same central spot and most of the world regards both island as the British Isles even though the roi does not.
So to get back to the only thing to stated.
It’s complicated
Substitute complicated with disputed and I agree lol. The Irish Government strongly dispute the term British Isles being applied against our wishes to this island, as it was invented to legitimise a land claim, not innocently by any neutral geographic body.
Unlike Scotland we’ve a treaty which now sets out our democratic pathway to getting the British government to finish their withdraw from our island, but we’re no closer to holding the vote (and don’t control the trigger).
Still raw Scotland missed their chance, but that too is a complicated topic!
Yeh I’m pretty salty about it myself. Even more so with the current shit show.
I remember growing up in the 80s and what that was to this day people I know personally directly involved have complex thoughts in the mess.
On the topic of the geographical status of the island I don’t know close enough to anything to have an opinion so am intentionally
chasingchoosing my words carefully.Edit apparently autocorrect is less careful on the word choice
No worries, I’m not trying to trick you, you of course are right, it’s complicated.
Back to the original topic, what really gets me is shows like Rings of Power double down on Tolkien classism by accent - intelligent elegant Elf’s in posh English, common men in northern English, rough ginger dwarfs in Scottish and then bottom of the class - mud dwelling, starving savage hobbits with Irish accents
Yeh it does get old. I try to take solis that when Holywood needs a bastard or a villain it’s usually that posh English twat.
It would be nice if they mixed it up or made the accents fairly agnostic