Arguing that capitalism being allowed in China makes it capitalist would be akin to arguing that having social services such as public healthcare makes Canada communist.
I’d totally argue that having public healthcare, publicly-owned infrastructure, makes Canada or the US socialist lol. Technically the “workers” don’t directly own the particular publicly-owned means of production, but they definitely do have a say in how it is run through their vote.
Anyway…
Given that you say China is socialist (which seems insane given it is literally an authoritarian state: the workers don’t own the means of production, the state does!), my original question:
“Can you point to an example of a socialist country (by your definition of socialist) that is superior in a certain industry innovation-wise compared to a capitalist (by your definition of capitalist) country?”
Seems kind of stupid given that China is definitely leading in certain industries compared to more “capitalist” (US, EU, etc.) nations. (Mainly manufacturing industries).
So I’ll ask a different question.
Given all the pro-china arguments you’ve listed. Would you want to live there if you got the chance? And if so/if not, why?
If you’d argue that then you don’t understand what socialism is. Socialism is a transitional state between capitalism and communism where workers have taken power in society, but vestigial capitalist economic relations still remain. The working class does not hold power in Canada or even have any meaningful participation in politics. Canadians are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.
Given that you say China is socialist (which seems insane given it is literally an authoritarian state: the workers don’t own the means of production, the state does!), my original question:
It does seem insane when you just make things up that have nothing to do with reality.
Given all the pro-china arguments you’ve listed. Would you want to live there if you got the chance? And if so/if not, why?
I absolutely would live in China, and I’ve been learning Mandarin for the past year for the express purpose of moving there at some point. I’ve met plenty of people from China in university, many of whom moved back since. Knowing what people from China actually say about life in China compared to deranged fantasies people in the west appear to have, there’s little question regarding where I’d rather live given a choice.
I’d totally argue that having public healthcare, publicly-owned infrastructure, makes Canada or the US socialist lol. Technically the “workers” don’t directly own the particular publicly-owned means of production, but they definitely do have a say in how it is run through their vote.
Anyway…
Given that you say China is socialist (which seems insane given it is literally an authoritarian state: the workers don’t own the means of production, the state does!), my original question:
“Can you point to an example of a socialist country (by your definition of socialist) that is superior in a certain industry innovation-wise compared to a capitalist (by your definition of capitalist) country?”
Seems kind of stupid given that China is definitely leading in certain industries compared to more “capitalist” (US, EU, etc.) nations. (Mainly manufacturing industries).
So I’ll ask a different question.
Given all the pro-china arguments you’ve listed. Would you want to live there if you got the chance? And if so/if not, why?
If you’d argue that then you don’t understand what socialism is. Socialism is a transitional state between capitalism and communism where workers have taken power in society, but vestigial capitalist economic relations still remain. The working class does not hold power in Canada or even have any meaningful participation in politics. Canadians are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.
It does seem insane when you just make things up that have nothing to do with reality.
I absolutely would live in China, and I’ve been learning Mandarin for the past year for the express purpose of moving there at some point. I’ve met plenty of people from China in university, many of whom moved back since. Knowing what people from China actually say about life in China compared to deranged fantasies people in the west appear to have, there’s little question regarding where I’d rather live given a choice.