In meetings in Israel, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin conveyed to Israeli leaders that it’s important to observe international rules of warfare.

As Israel girds for a fearsome ground assault into Gaza, senior Biden administration officials are warning their Israeli counterparts to show restraint and avoid mass civilian casualties and a humanitarian disaster that could turn world opinion against the Jewish state, according to two current and one former U.S. official.

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    If you need to know what people around you are doing before you can decide what to do, then you aren’t acting out of personal conviction.

    If you were truly acting out of personal conviction, then your state statistics would be completely irrelevant to you.

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      The reason we even entered into this conversation was because the original person I was responding to suggested that me not voting for Biden would somehow impact whether or not Trump could potentially be reelected. It can’t, and won’t for the statistical reasons that I mentioned.

      However, you are correct that me choosing not to vote for Biden again based on my disagreement with his tacit support for Israeli war crimes has nothing to do with that statistical reality.

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        Then the original person you were responding to was right.

        If Trump wins, people who chose to abstain from voting regardless of the consequences will share the blame. People like you.

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          I explained my position, you explained yours.

          I still think you’re a pedantic fuck & a debate pervert.

          You still think I’m responsible for Trump HYPOTHETICALLY getting reelected.

          Seems we’re at an impasse.

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            No, I think that if Trump gets re-elected, then you are partly responsible.

            If Trump is not re-elected, then you’re not responsible for anything except being rude.

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              You chose to respond, and then started playing little semantic word games over a hypothetical scenario regarding my hypothetical vote that I haven’t even cast yet.

              So, yeah, I came at you because you came at me first. Don’t like it? Then keep your opinions to yourself I guess…

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                You were rude before I entered the conversation. I’m here to support the person you rudely responded to. Are you suggesting that you are entitled to be rude whenever people with disagree with you?

                And this is not a “semantic word game”. People like you were actually responsible for the actual, non-hypothetical, election of Trump in 2016. If he is re-elected, then people like you will again be responsible.

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                  I’m entitled to speak my mind, and defend my position. You want to play the victim, and act offended after voluntarily entering a conversation.

                  People like you were actually responsible for the actual, non-hypothetical, election of Trump in 2016.

                  No, it was because Hillary Clinton was a historically bad candidate that enough voters didn’t like, trust, or identify with. But go off 🤴, keep blaming the people in this country for the failings and entitlement of the political class while they continue selling us out by making people pick between the lesser of two evils.

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                    Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate and people like you are responsible for electing Trump. Both are true.

                    Just as it is true both that Obama was a good candidate and that people like me are responsible for electing him.

                    Choosing between flawed candidates is what democracy is all about. Always has been.