I’m not sure why I’m getting downvoted. I am uninformed, and since that is all I knew I asked in the first place…
You play the “I’m just an ignorant person” character whilst spouting pro-Russia propaganda as if everybody else is an idiot.
This is indicated by how in your words “Ukraine joining NATO” is “an understandable reason for Russia to invade” and yet Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 is not an understandable reason for Ukraine to merelly join NATO - not only is the threat level of “having NATO next door” completelly different from “having a bigger nation next door that already invaded us” not even in the same universe as justifications for action with regards to your next door neightbour go, but actions themselves are hugelly different in terms of impact and even principle:
Joining NATO is doing what you want with your own territory and doesn’t kill people or even cause them to flee.
Invading your next door neighbour is doing what you want in somebody else’s territory, killing people (hundreds of thousand already) and causing even more people to flee (millions).
Or to put things in perpective, you’ve been spouting all about how you “understand” the reason a murderer gave for murdering his neighbour, which is that “the other guy wanted to invite some friends over to his home”.
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? I never said “Ukraine joining NATO”, I said “NATO base that NATO wanted to build in Ukraine”. I never said “an understandable reason for Russia to invade”, I said “I can see why” (i.e., if what I heard was true, I could see why it would be a perfect excuse for invasion).
“not even in the same universe as justifications for action with regards to your next door neightbour go” yeah? No shit did you miss me saying “(I’m not justifying it)”?
I don’t even disagree, you can see it from my answer to PugJesus message in this same thread.
I’m not “spouting propaganda” you tool, what I wrote is what I heard from people around me at the beginning of the conflict, and I admit I took it for true. Turns out, as PugJesus said below, I was not informed correctly. I even added “but I’m sure it’s more complicated than this” to make it clear I was not informed sufficiently.
Hell this whole thread started with me saying I’m not informed, what else do you want? Asshole.
Calm your tits and don’t “quote” people when you’re not actually quoting them. You’re doing your cause a disservice, and you just sound crazy.
You play the “I’m just an ignorant person” character whilst spouting pro-Russia propaganda as if everybody else is an idiot.
This is indicated by how in your words “Ukraine joining NATO” is “an understandable reason for Russia to invade” and yet Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 is not an understandable reason for Ukraine to merelly join NATO - not only is the threat level of “having NATO next door” completelly different from “having a bigger nation next door that already invaded us” not even in the same universe as justifications for action with regards to your next door neightbour go, but actions themselves are hugelly different in terms of impact and even principle:
Or to put things in perpective, you’ve been spouting all about how you “understand” the reason a murderer gave for murdering his neighbour, which is that “the other guy wanted to invite some friends over to his home”.
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? I never said “Ukraine joining NATO”, I said “NATO base that NATO wanted to build in Ukraine”. I never said “an understandable reason for Russia to invade”, I said “I can see why” (i.e., if what I heard was true, I could see why it would be a perfect excuse for invasion).
“not even in the same universe as justifications for action with regards to your next door neightbour go” yeah? No shit did you miss me saying “(I’m not justifying it)”?
I don’t even disagree, you can see it from my answer to PugJesus message in this same thread.
I’m not “spouting propaganda” you tool, what I wrote is what I heard from people around me at the beginning of the conflict, and I admit I took it for true. Turns out, as PugJesus said below, I was not informed correctly. I even added “but I’m sure it’s more complicated than this” to make it clear I was not informed sufficiently.
Hell this whole thread started with me saying I’m not informed, what else do you want? Asshole.
Calm your tits and don’t “quote” people when you’re not actually quoting them. You’re doing your cause a disservice, and you just sound crazy.