• travelerthe01@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    NATO has nothing to do with it. Even worse, NATO was created to prevent this kind of thing happening to countries, and Ukraine was “forbidden” to join NATO to make the Russians happy.

    Look how that turned out to Ukrainians.

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      1 year ago

      Woah hold on now, hold your horses. NATO has nothing to do with it?

      Then why do they openly claim that they did?

      https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/nato-chief-openly-admits-russia-invaded

      Decided I’d atleast look into it if you are going to make such a brazen claim

      This is especially interesting https://archive.is/stMC4

      Just the damnedest thing https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/us-officials-keep-boasting-about

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        The only way that reading Stoltenberg’s comments and then blaming the invasion on NATO makes sense is if you think that Russia has an actual right to decide how other countries choose to align themselves. Putin showed up at NATO’s door threatening to beat up a random non-NATO country if NATO didn’t kick out half of its members. Russia has no right to demand that countries that willingly signed up to NATO be kicked out. Most of them signed up specifically because of how Russia has frequently acted in the past.

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        If I come to you and say “do this or I’ll punch that guy” and you say “no, fuck off”, is it your fault when I then follow through and punch the guy?

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        Holy shit stop trying to justify what the russians did. Theyre not even communist you dumb tankie

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          Idk how much I gotta say I don’t like Russia, I can hate NATO and their involvement in the war while also hating the war crimes Russia is committing. How can you read that and not see the the war is more complex than a Russian land grab?

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            Dude all you’ve ever done in every single conversation is pretend dog whistles arent dog whistles and blame NATO for what Russia did. People can see you post a lot to hexbear. You aren’t sneaky.

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            Dude… I feel this sentiment so hard.

            I don’t understand why criticising NATO for pressuring Russia to invade is pro Russia. Russia didn’t HAVE to invade. Both sides can be at fault here.

            It’s like these people arguing against you have a vision of the world that’s as complex as a gi-joe cartoon. One groups perfectly good and the other is perfectly evil.

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              No one pressured Russia to invade Ukraine. Being an edgy contrarian does not make what you say nuanced. It makes you a useful tool.