A New York judge sentenced a woman who pleaded guilty to fatally shoving an 87-year-old Broadway singing coach onto a Manhattan sidewalk to six months more in prison than the eight years that had been previously reached in a plea deal.

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    He’s not being a white knight towards this specific woman.

    He’s raising the topic of what is best for society.

    I agree with his point. Law and order doesn’t exist to punish people or to get revenge. It exists for the benefit of society. And putting people in jail, making them unable to contribute to society and becoming a permanent burden on society is bad for society. It doesn’t do any good.

    Frankly, I think it’s better for society to just bring back the guillotine if we aren’t going to rehabilitate.

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        We have the data for this that it won’t. The US doesn’t have rehabilitation programs. We have punishment programs. We don’t really provide tools for people to improve their lives when they’re out. If anything, we do the opposite. If you have a criminal record of any kind, getting a job is significantly harder, which pushes people into illegal work again.

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          We have the data that it LIKELY won’t, but that just means we need to do better with our prisoners and rehab programs. It’s not an excuse to let someone who killed someone right back onto the streets.

          Are other countries with better rehab programs letting manslaughter convicts out in less than four years?

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_Swedish_law

          Apparently in Sweden you get 6-10 for manslaughter.

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            Looks like it’d be this one, so yeah they are more lenient:

            Causing the death of another (Vållande till annans död, literally ‘causing another’s death’). It roughly corresponds to negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter. The law reads: “A person who causes the death of another person through negligence is guilty of causing the death of another and is sentenced […]” The punishment for Vållande till annans död is:

            A fine (day-fines) if the crime is petty,

            Any prison term up to 2 years, or

            Any prison term between 1 year and 6 years “if the offence is gross”.[2]

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                That requires intent. I’m pretty certain intent can’t be implied in this case. She pushed her and she fell, but was old and frail and died. She did not kill her on purpose. It’s involuntary.

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                  That’s exactly the manslaughter part. She voluntarily shoved her, which is a crime, with the unintended consequence of homicide.

                  If she intended to kill her, that would rise to murder.

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                    We’re talking about a different nations laws and it’s defined differently. I’m done if you aren’t going to read the details of the thing you literally posted. Read the things it links to.

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        I see a discussion about rehabilitating everyone or guillotining everyone. I don’t think there’s any need to mix race into these extremes.

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          It’s true though. I have a family member who is a white woman that has repeatedly crashed her car into buildings while trying to run people down, fractured skulls with hammers, thrown people into oncoming traffic. She’s just got a bad temper. Nothing ever happens to her. Cops talk people out of pressing charges, she’s never even spent a night in jail.

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            in jail

            Wait, but the NY woman did go to jail, didn’t she? I don’t think anyone was suggesting here that she shouldn’t have been sentenced.