Literally today. Just because you don’t give a shit about Palestine and are ignoring their struggle, doesn’t suddenly make it stop. The same groups who were protesting the genocide when it was happening under Biden are still out there protesting.
I can’t help but feel like the Dems end goal with this kinda bullshit is to try and manufacture this idea that leftist outrage over Gaza is entirely fabricated. We couldn’t really care about brown people, we must have made up a bunch of nasty lies to make Kamala Harris look bad! It’s really self-telling that they can’t imagine genocide would be a bridge too far.
It matters if lay people are aware. I think the post is a useful signal that awareness of the issue is getting drowned out by everything else falling apart.
Pretty much no one thought he’d be better, more like not worse in a meaningful way. Obviously saying the US is going to turn Gaza into a resort is worse than not saying that, but that distinction is pretty unimportant to everyone who would be killed or driven out under a democratic president anyway. The end goal has always been to fully settle Palestine, what exact form that takes or whether the US funds it with a smile or a frown doesn’t change that.
Worse in general or just in regard to Palestine? Obviously he’s so much worse in general, which is why I did vote for Harris. But specifically on the issue of Palestine no matter what the genocide wasn’t stopping, the Biden admin made it pretty clear there wasn’t actually a red line Israel could cross that would end the supply of weapons, considering every one they did make was blown past with no consequences. And Harris repeatedly signified that wouldn’t have changed.
But it’s also not productive to try and assign blame to people who didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, though. The problem isn’t that people didn’t want to vote for the conservative party instead of the fascist party, its that we only had those 2 options to pick from. Obviously one of them was less harmful overall, but that doesn’t make them meaningfully better for Palestine, or even a good/appealing choice. Our entire political system was built to represent slaveowners and rich white men, and that’s so deeply ingrained into every aspect of its design that there’s no way to move away from those roots from within the system. Even if Trump lost this time, what’s stopping him from running again? Or the next version of him? Or what about the continued corporate capture of the government and both parties? None of those can just be voted away, and placing responsibility for fixing things entirely on voting just wastes time that would be better spent organizing while they continue to fester and grow.
We correctly thought Trump would be worse in regard to Palestine, e.g. with things like supporting forced removal/ethnic cleansing like he did yesterday.
Like I said, coming out and saying he supports the forced removal of Palestinians is awful, and neither Biden or Harris would have done that obviously. It seems pretty obvious neither of them are actually happy with Israel. But whether the US president is happy about it or not, lsraels end goal is and always has been ethnic cleansing either way. So while it is worse to express support for that goal than to express disapproval, as long as the US keeps up the supply of weapons - which we will almost assuredly do no matter what, Trump or otherwise - then to all the people being ethnically cleansed it doesn’t mean anything. The Biden administration has been expressing support for this since at least 2023, via its actions rather than words. That’s what people mean by Trump not being meaningfully worse for Palestine. Not that he isn’t worse than Biden or Harris, but that the ways in which he is worse on this specific issue don’t matter to the people who are actively the targets of the genocide. If you’re being bombed by US funded weapons then who gives a shit what the person approving those weapons says about it, they sent them either way.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/5/as-trump-meets-netanyahu-protesters-chant-palestine-is-not-for-sale
Literally today. Just because you don’t give a shit about Palestine and are ignoring their struggle, doesn’t suddenly make it stop. The same groups who were protesting the genocide when it was happening under Biden are still out there protesting.
I can’t help but feel like the Dems end goal with this kinda bullshit is to try and manufacture this idea that leftist outrage over Gaza is entirely fabricated. We couldn’t really care about brown people, we must have made up a bunch of nasty lies to make Kamala Harris look bad! It’s really self-telling that they can’t imagine genocide would be a bridge too far.
It matters if lay people are aware. I think the post is a useful signal that awareness of the issue is getting drowned out by everything else falling apart.
I think we just thought it was pretty silly of them to think Trump was gonna be better.
Pretty much no one thought he’d be better, more like not worse in a meaningful way. Obviously saying the US is going to turn Gaza into a resort is worse than not saying that, but that distinction is pretty unimportant to everyone who would be killed or driven out under a democratic president anyway. The end goal has always been to fully settle Palestine, what exact form that takes or whether the US funds it with a smile or a frown doesn’t change that.
Pretty much everyone thought he would be much worse, and that’s what we’ve got.
Worse in general or just in regard to Palestine? Obviously he’s so much worse in general, which is why I did vote for Harris. But specifically on the issue of Palestine no matter what the genocide wasn’t stopping, the Biden admin made it pretty clear there wasn’t actually a red line Israel could cross that would end the supply of weapons, considering every one they did make was blown past with no consequences. And Harris repeatedly signified that wouldn’t have changed.
But it’s also not productive to try and assign blame to people who didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, though. The problem isn’t that people didn’t want to vote for the conservative party instead of the fascist party, its that we only had those 2 options to pick from. Obviously one of them was less harmful overall, but that doesn’t make them meaningfully better for Palestine, or even a good/appealing choice. Our entire political system was built to represent slaveowners and rich white men, and that’s so deeply ingrained into every aspect of its design that there’s no way to move away from those roots from within the system. Even if Trump lost this time, what’s stopping him from running again? Or the next version of him? Or what about the continued corporate capture of the government and both parties? None of those can just be voted away, and placing responsibility for fixing things entirely on voting just wastes time that would be better spent organizing while they continue to fester and grow.
We correctly thought Trump would be worse in regard to Palestine, e.g. with things like supporting forced removal/ethnic cleansing like he did yesterday.
Like I said, coming out and saying he supports the forced removal of Palestinians is awful, and neither Biden or Harris would have done that obviously. It seems pretty obvious neither of them are actually happy with Israel. But whether the US president is happy about it or not, lsraels end goal is and always has been ethnic cleansing either way. So while it is worse to express support for that goal than to express disapproval, as long as the US keeps up the supply of weapons - which we will almost assuredly do no matter what, Trump or otherwise - then to all the people being ethnically cleansed it doesn’t mean anything. The Biden administration has been expressing support for this since at least 2023, via its actions rather than words. That’s what people mean by Trump not being meaningfully worse for Palestine. Not that he isn’t worse than Biden or Harris, but that the ways in which he is worse on this specific issue don’t matter to the people who are actively the targets of the genocide. If you’re being bombed by US funded weapons then who gives a shit what the person approving those weapons says about it, they sent them either way.
Beggaring the question is bad-faith.
Making posts asking why something that’s literally happening and being reported in the news isn’t happening is also bad faith so…
I don’t think the dems care about leftists it’s other leftists who are saying yous have been had.
If you seriously think the Dems haven’t been spending every day since they lost the election punching left, I’ve a bridge to sell you.
Examples? Top posts of the past month for r/politics there’s literally nothing. Got bored scrolling.