A big part of this election is winning the Obama-Trump-Biden swing voter over to Kamala again. How do you get a mushy moderate with ambivalent feelings toward the two major parties to take your side?
Kamala’s strategy is to raise her own profile by going on interviews and presenting herself as an appealing replacement for Biden. Trump’s strategy is to host large events and wait for his statements to be reported by the constantly-trying-to-sound-neutral national media.
But I think we’re past the point of talking about how candidates present themselves. If you were turned off by Trump’s ramblings or his white nationalism or his Elon fetish, you’d have showed up for Kamala on the first day of early voting. If you can’t stomach Kamala’s brand of market liberalism and her progressive stance on LGBTQ/Abortion issues, you’d have mailed in your vote for Trump a week ago.
What do you say to someone who is still reachable, but not yet committed, as a voter? “Um… actually, the media is being very unfair to my candidate”? No shit. Western media doesn’t exist to be fair, it exists to make money. What else have you got?
You can’t expect them to defend Democracy when you’re too lazy to.
I don’t expect any single news journal to “Defend Democracy”, because I’m not sure what that would even look like? But I will say, I get much better and more reliable press from journals that run fewer ads. The Texas Tribune and the Houston Landing are far and away better than the Houston Chronicle, which is constantly swarming my screen with banner ads and feeding a river of pop-ups into uBlock.
But, I guess, if you just want to hear good news about Democrats, tune into a podcast that’s produced by a bunch of Dem campaign staffers. Pod Save America has been around for nearly a decade. The Daily Kos has been around since the first Bush term. You can get media that’s nothing but “Dems Good, Repubs Bad” if you want it. I don’t know how this defends democracy, but it does appear to be a thing some folks on here want.
There’s plenty of fascism at the center. That’s a big part of the problem with the current system. Liz Cheney and Eric Adams and Joe Manchin aren’t your friends.
If that’s not enough to sway them then nothing could.
Calling the other party “Hitler” isn’t new to this election. Republicans were smearing the internet with Obama/Hitler mashups straight back to his primary run against Hillary. If simply pointing and calling your opponent a fascist could cost them the election, nobody would ever win.
This is entirely dishonest. We’ve all heard trumps rhetoric. We know exactly his intentions because he has spoken them aloud. There is no comparison to Trump and any other person involved in US politics outside of maybe a David Duke type.
There are tons of comparisons. That’s the whole fucking problem. It’s not just Trump standing at a podium, alone and out on the fringe, saying shit nobody else agrees with. He is surrounded by like-minded fascist fucks.
The Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis and Sarah Huckabee types. The old school Pat Buchanans and Duncan Hunters. The newer Matt Gaetz and Mike Johnson and Chip Roy and Laura Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene types. The Dinesh D’Souzas and Charlie Kirks and Candice Owens.
And I wish that was all of them. You’ve got guys like Eric Adams, in New York, who has adopted all of Trump’s rhetoric and applied it to his own campaign for mayor. You’ve got billionaires like Musk and Thiel and Bill Akman, who flirt with both parties as its convenient, while pushing the most reactionary and vulgar fascist ideologies. You’ve got the Cheneys and the Bill Kristols and the assorted other Lincoln Project goons, who haven’t changed one lick from their 2004 era heyday, but have found a perch in the Democratic Party after being booted from the GOP for criticizing Dear Leader Trump from the right.
maybe a David Duke type
Way more common in American politics than you want to admit. The entire Gulf Coast and much of the Midwest is flush with them.
Donald Trump should already be in jail, serving an extended sentence for a litany of crimes
The fact that he is not is a huge failure of the Democratic Party and the Biden/Garland DOJ specifically.
These people are unwilling to apply the legal code to privileged elites like Trump. And they are the reason so many J6ers are running around plotting the next set of coups
Cheney started two pointless wars that got nearly a million people killed and left nearly every single person affected worse off except for Raytheon executives and maybe the Taliban.
Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott have enacted extreme transphobic policies. Abbott made it so that if you know a trans person receiving care and don’t rat them out to the cops, you could face legal consequences yourself - and he diverted resources from underfunded and overworked social workers away from kids facing actual abuse to breaking up loving and supportive families.
These people have had direct material impacts on the lives of everyday people - they have even had a direct material impact on me, personally. January 6th didn’t. It’s bad sure, but it’s not so much worse than the rest of the conservative platform that Trump is uniquely evil or that anyone who doesn’t see it that way is a “fucking psychopath.”
January 6th wasn’t even the worst thing he’s done, not by a longshot. Like, at least use his COVID response or immigration as your go-to example, like, something that directly affected everyday people and not just politicians.
These things aren’t the same. No one is arguing america is a country with perfect morals and is incorruptible. I dare you to try and find one that is.
Trump up ending the norms of our government and threating authoritative rule is beyond anything we’ve seen here in the states. If you want to minimize the implications that’s on you but it’s psychopathic to think no-holds-barred, with complete support of the the supreme court, will be better or the same
as the current state things. This is not pluracy this is escalation and if you’re too dumb, or just being disingenuous, I think everyone on every side of this will soon come to understand the Pandoras box being opened here.
Good luck to you. If I ever meet you, though, please remind me of your views so I can know how degenerate you are before carrying on any normal interaction.
My brother came back from the war extremely fucked up, started shooting meth to “self-medicate,” tore my family apart and made our lives a living hell, before he finally reached a breaking point and went out to some innocent family’s house with a gun before the police stopped him by shooting him in the arm. I want you to try to imagine what it’s like to hear that an immediate family member might be dying, and feeling nothing but relief that the hell they’ve been putting you through might be ending. That is what Dick Cheney and his ilk did to me.
But when you sat on your couch watching some guy steal a podium, I'm sure that was roughly equally traumatic.
I know I’m just a dumb idiot for caring about the tears in my mother’s eyes. I know I’m a disengenuine degenerate for seeing that and realing how much worse the other side had it than we did, for considering that people living in Iraq and Afghanistan are actual human beings and that an entire generation of children grew up terrified of sunny days because that’s when our planes and drones flew. But maybe despite the fact that I’m a huge fucking dumbass for caring about the mass slaughter of innocent people, maybe, just maybe, you could take my concerns seriously anyway instead of condescending to me.
A big part of this election is winning the Obama-Trump-Biden swing voter over to Kamala again. How do you get a mushy moderate with ambivalent feelings toward the two major parties to take your side?
Kamala’s strategy is to raise her own profile by going on interviews and presenting herself as an appealing replacement for Biden. Trump’s strategy is to host large events and wait for his statements to be reported by the constantly-trying-to-sound-neutral national media.
But I think we’re past the point of talking about how candidates present themselves. If you were turned off by Trump’s ramblings or his white nationalism or his Elon fetish, you’d have showed up for Kamala on the first day of early voting. If you can’t stomach Kamala’s brand of market liberalism and her progressive stance on LGBTQ/Abortion issues, you’d have mailed in your vote for Trump a week ago.
What do you say to someone who is still reachable, but not yet committed, as a voter? “Um… actually, the media is being very unfair to my candidate”? No shit. Western media doesn’t exist to be fair, it exists to make money. What else have you got?
This is so, so true and goes both ways. People are like, “why doesn’t The Media refute Trump’s lies” or “they’re not promoting Harris’s policies!”
Even the most left/progressive media still exists to generate clicks and views. You can’t expect them to defend Democracy when you’re too lazy to.
I don’t expect any single news journal to “Defend Democracy”, because I’m not sure what that would even look like? But I will say, I get much better and more reliable press from journals that run fewer ads. The Texas Tribune and the Houston Landing are far and away better than the Houston Chronicle, which is constantly swarming my screen with banner ads and feeding a river of pop-ups into uBlock.
But, I guess, if you just want to hear good news about Democrats, tune into a podcast that’s produced by a bunch of Dem campaign staffers. Pod Save America has been around for nearly a decade. The Daily Kos has been around since the first Bush term. You can get media that’s nothing but “Dems Good, Repubs Bad” if you want it. I don’t know how this defends democracy, but it does appear to be a thing some folks on here want.
The promise of fascism coming from the right. I believe they’ve talked on this too.
If that’s not enough to sway them then nothing could. That’s that. Was it worth the effort? To fend off fascism, yes.
There’s plenty of fascism at the center. That’s a big part of the problem with the current system. Liz Cheney and Eric Adams and Joe Manchin aren’t your friends.
Calling the other party “Hitler” isn’t new to this election. Republicans were smearing the internet with Obama/Hitler mashups straight back to his primary run against Hillary. If simply pointing and calling your opponent a fascist could cost them the election, nobody would ever win.
This is entirely dishonest. We’ve all heard trumps rhetoric. We know exactly his intentions because he has spoken them aloud. There is no comparison to Trump and any other person involved in US politics outside of maybe a David Duke type.
There are tons of comparisons. That’s the whole fucking problem. It’s not just Trump standing at a podium, alone and out on the fringe, saying shit nobody else agrees with. He is surrounded by like-minded fascist fucks.
The Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis and Sarah Huckabee types. The old school Pat Buchanans and Duncan Hunters. The newer Matt Gaetz and Mike Johnson and Chip Roy and Laura Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene types. The Dinesh D’Souzas and Charlie Kirks and Candice Owens.
And I wish that was all of them. You’ve got guys like Eric Adams, in New York, who has adopted all of Trump’s rhetoric and applied it to his own campaign for mayor. You’ve got billionaires like Musk and Thiel and Bill Akman, who flirt with both parties as its convenient, while pushing the most reactionary and vulgar fascist ideologies. You’ve got the Cheneys and the Bill Kristols and the assorted other Lincoln Project goons, who haven’t changed one lick from their 2004 era heyday, but have found a perch in the Democratic Party after being booted from the GOP for criticizing Dear Leader Trump from the right.
Way more common in American politics than you want to admit. The entire Gulf Coast and much of the Midwest is flush with them.
The man literally tried to overthrow an election you fucking psychopath.
Damn. Someone should put him in jail for that.
I’m so exhausted by the constant deflection. Want to spell it out for me? I don’t get it.
Donald Trump should already be in jail, serving an extended sentence for a litany of crimes
The fact that he is not is a huge failure of the Democratic Party and the Biden/Garland DOJ specifically.
These people are unwilling to apply the legal code to privileged elites like Trump. And they are the reason so many J6ers are running around plotting the next set of coups
Cheney started two pointless wars that got nearly a million people killed and left nearly every single person affected worse off except for Raytheon executives and maybe the Taliban.
Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott have enacted extreme transphobic policies. Abbott made it so that if you know a trans person receiving care and don’t rat them out to the cops, you could face legal consequences yourself - and he diverted resources from underfunded and overworked social workers away from kids facing actual abuse to breaking up loving and supportive families.
These people have had direct material impacts on the lives of everyday people - they have even had a direct material impact on me, personally. January 6th didn’t. It’s bad sure, but it’s not so much worse than the rest of the conservative platform that Trump is uniquely evil or that anyone who doesn’t see it that way is a “fucking psychopath.”
January 6th wasn’t even the worst thing he’s done, not by a longshot. Like, at least use his COVID response or immigration as your go-to example, like, something that directly affected everyday people and not just politicians.
These things aren’t the same. No one is arguing america is a country with perfect morals and is incorruptible. I dare you to try and find one that is.
Trump up ending the norms of our government and threating authoritative rule is beyond anything we’ve seen here in the states. If you want to minimize the implications that’s on you but it’s psychopathic to think no-holds-barred, with complete support of the the supreme court, will be better or the same as the current state things. This is not pluracy this is escalation and if you’re too dumb, or just being disingenuous, I think everyone on every side of this will soon come to understand the Pandoras box being opened here.
Good luck to you. If I ever meet you, though, please remind me of your views so I can know how degenerate you are before carrying on any normal interaction.
My brother came back from the war extremely fucked up, started shooting meth to “self-medicate,” tore my family apart and made our lives a living hell, before he finally reached a breaking point and went out to some innocent family’s house with a gun before the police stopped him by shooting him in the arm. I want you to try to imagine what it’s like to hear that an immediate family member might be dying, and feeling nothing but relief that the hell they’ve been putting you through might be ending. That is what Dick Cheney and his ilk did to me.
But when you sat on your couch watching some guy steal a podium, I'm sure that was roughly equally traumatic.
I know I’m just a dumb idiot for caring about the tears in my mother’s eyes. I know I’m a disengenuine degenerate for seeing that and realing how much worse the other side had it than we did, for considering that people living in Iraq and Afghanistan are actual human beings and that an entire generation of children grew up terrified of sunny days because that’s when our planes and drones flew. But maybe despite the fact that I’m a huge fucking dumbass for caring about the mass slaughter of innocent people, maybe, just maybe, you could take my concerns seriously anyway instead of condescending to me.