• Ace T'Ken@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    No political system is perfect. Ever.

    They require constant vigilance. They require battling. Human greed is capable of corrupting every system that a human mind can create.

    Anyone that tells you they have a perfect political system that would never need fixing is a liar, an idiot, or both.

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      21 hours ago

      “Revolution only ever results in a change of masters”

      “One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.”

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      21 hours ago

      Ok, why not create a human system that’s not succeptible to greed by introducing usufruct property relations?

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        13 hours ago

        I read up on it, but I’m not sure how that’s immune to greed. Are you able to explain?

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          There’s a limit on how much stuff you can “own” and actually use. If you don’t use it, you don’t own it anymore.

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            usufruct

            So… reading the Wikipedia article on it for more info, it doesn’t seem to place any limits on what you can own. It simply lets you makes allowances for others to use something of yours. It doesn’t seem to mention forfeiting unused property in the least.

            It’s basically just being a landlord, but with other stuff, no? I’m not following how this isn’t corruptible unless there’s something I’m missing.

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          And I think social democracy (which we need to fix) is the answer to that.

          I think a lot of people like to LARP they’re the rebel alliance that’re going to defeat the evil empire and the ewoks will celebrate, not remembering the last few times the ewoks ended up first on the trains (purges, holodomor, GLP/CR, Khmer Rouge).

          At the end of the day, in power structures, without a firm mechanism to counter, the most evil people generally rise to the top. Very familiar with this in my actual life experience which I’m going to guess most MLs don’t have.

          For instance, after the McD merger, marketing and finance execs slowly displaced engineers at the top and steered the companies away from doing their jobs and towards what you could call “ideological purity”, ie short-term cash at any cost. Intel was similar, as was the USSR and PRC.

          In the west, those companies are a smaller part of a whole, and if things go properly, they fail, an example is made, hopefully new management is brought in to replace them and recover the company.

          In an authoritarian regime the whole country sinks or swims, hence NK is screwed. Russia actually had a great renaissance under Khrushchev, who helped recover most of the worst damage wrought by Stalin, until the idiot Brezhnev struck for ideological purity again and destroyed all that work. Gorbachev looked to be trying to fix that, but it was far too late.

          Communists fail because they demand all eggs be under one basket, and as Rome showed us, you can have good Emperors, you can’t have unlimited good emperors, sooner or later you’ll get a political moron like Brezhnev or Xi and everything will fall to pieces.

          It’s why capitalists go on and on and on about “diversifying your portfolio” so no one bet ever kills you.