• jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 hours ago

    You’re attempting to make a distinction that is immaterial to the end result, as your own article admits. like i said shes more than welcome to run, she just won’t get any support which is what she needs. destruction for destruction sake doesn’t work, nor does it ensure the end result.

    like I said, I suspect Claudia has a back bone, what revolutionary doesn’t? she is just doomed to failure because she doesn’t know how to conduct a revolution and will be unable to gain support because she refused to find levers to pull and instead just swings a hammer, because shes hurt and angry. If thats your jam by all means vote for her, but be aware ignoring the facts i just presented makes you just as blind as harris is. :)

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      destruction for destruction sake doesn’t work, nor does it ensure the end result.

      She isn’t doing destruction for destruction’s sake.

      she is just doomed to failure because she doesn’t know how to conduct a revolution and will be unable to gain support because she refused to find levers to pull and instead just swings a hammer, because shes hurt and angry. If thats your jam by all means vote for her. :)

      You have yet to explain any of this.

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        4 hours ago

        She isn’t doing destruction for destruction’s sake.

        absolutely is unless there is a plan to replace the system. hence all of my original points around her lack of coherent plans that address actual needs of the people. breaking the current system without sound ideas on how the new system will operate is destruction for destruction sake. You don’t tear your house down without a alternative place to shelter. but keep waving your flag on the hill, I’lll bring you a picnic basket and chill with you. =)

        You have yet to explain any of this.

        I dont need to, those are my opinions you can take or leave them as you will. or just watch the election play out and get your answer. =)

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          absolutely is unless there is a plan to replace the system. hence all of my original points around her lack of coherent plans that address actual needs of the people.

          You read the party platform of PSL. PSL has coherent plans.

          breaking the current system without sound ideas on how the new system will operate is destruction for destruction sake.

          That isn’t what’s happening.

          breaking the current system without sound ideas on how the new system will operate is destruction for destruction sake.

          You keep arguing against strawmen.

          I dont need to, those are my opinions you can take or leave them as you will. or just watch the election play out and get your answer. =)

          That’s fine, you just have no coherent plans for establishing Socialism.

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            you’re welcome to link to resources. I checked out her campaign site it wasn’t interesting and i explained why each point will fail. I dont particularly care to spend my time beyond that digging to decide if she was is worth my time, determined she isn’t. The campaign site is incoherent as far as plans go. if you want to goal post shift to PSL in general feel free to do so and i’ll tell you what i think but otherwise. 🤷 if you want support you need to do the effort to earn it. ;)

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                quick scan looks like a non-starter for me but good luck! anything where economy is centrally managed is a horrible idea, and something marx got very wrong its essentially what we have now just with a different person in charge. 🤷

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                    because I dont give a shit about marxist. its mostly nonsense. he identified the root problem but failed to understand human nature or how to build robust economies/systems. just because you’re blinded doesn’t mean every socialist is as foolish. centralized planning is what we have today in late stage capitalism, and its what caused communist societies to collapse under the corruption then foster. like i said good luck in your idealistic vision it’ll never work because its inflexible and misses the point.

                    edit: now i was a little terse there sorry. anyways I dont need you to give me an expose on marxism. its strictly unnecessary. this is where the PSL is claiming to require a planned economy. which is a bad idea and thats what I was reacting to; its what we have today and its ripe for corruption. any socialist movement is going to have to learn to reject centralized structures beyond a certain size.

                    if the goal is to prevent wealth accumulation, there are other methods to do so that dont require a planned economy.

                    now I suggest you go spend your efforts on another individual, theres no more play here for you. but again I recommend PSL spend its effort on state level efforts and show their model can work. there is some okayish ideas there they just need to prove them first but there is also a lot of things we already have available.