By default, Lemmy allows downvotes globally. However, when a server disables downvoting, it is similar to using a feature that is usually reserved for enterprises and very small, non-federated communities.
If a user prefer to not see downvotes, they can disable it by his favourite client settings, but the rest of the community should not miss this functionality for the pleasure of few users.
Disagree, the downvoters would just pick a default reason and move on… maybe even turning one of the reasons into a troll motive.
Remember we’re talking about people who only care enough to go out of their way to mass downvote or even have scripts to do it for them; not normal users who up/down vote and move on (which weren’t the problem back then, as far as we were told).
Forcing a reason maybe would stop people who actually cared enough, for the rest it would just be a nuisance so they’d pick whatever (or the meanest option).
Honestly… after reading another guy’s comment, I am more inclined to just say fuck it and say we return to the forums, no upvotes or downvotes, things neatly categorized into their place (specially so sensible things can be hidden but still available) and if someone wants to interact they’d have to comment.
People who mass downvote, with or without scripts, are better dealt separately - it’s vote manipulation, those people shouldn’t be voting up or down on first place.
You’re still doing two clicks to downvote someone, instead of just one. And in the meantime there’s always some room to think “why am I downvoting this again?”
And perhaps I’m judging other users too much based on my own usage of the downvote button, but often I’d rather have a way to say why I’m downvoting it - because someone were rude, or because they’re babbling bullshit, etc. I tend to believe that other people are like this too, but perhaps I’m wrong, dunno.
For reference, Slashdot uses a similar-ish system; except that it does it towards people voting up. I see “types of upvotes” problematic because often good content checks multiple boxes, but the rough idea works.
The problem with this approach is that chronological sorting leads to a lot of trash, as people know that their shitpost will be still highly visible for the others. Kind of like 4chan.
We’ve reached the point I’ve been trying to get to, thank you.
We are not talking about people who think about doing these things, we’re talking about people who do it just to be an ass. No other reason needed.
The ones who think or somehow rationalize their votes are people who already moved on or blocked what they didn’t want to see, those are not part of this problem. Do you really believe a dedicated group or person who just keeps on creating instances, scripts and bots to troll a comm/user is someone who is going to care about why?
So the same problem if we browse Lemmy in chronological order? I mean… there’s a reason we have multiple kinds of sorting and the forums also have their own way of sorting, also why Lemmy and other platforms have moderation, to keep the shit out and enforce the rules (enforcing quality would also be cool but they say it’s too subjective to be doable).
That’s also why categories inside a forum are used, you split the shitpost from the actual content and if you want shitpost you go to that part of the forums, if you want nsfw you go to that category, if someone wants nsfl they can go
fuck themselvesto that category, and so on; it’s would not be like Lemmy where you either see everything you haven’t blocked or only your subscriptions.