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- news@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- news@lemmy.world
Pelosi calls Trump ‘unhinged’ and reveals exchange with doctors at 2019 memorial for top psychiatrist
In early 2019, at a memorial service for a prominent psychiatrist, a succession of “doctors and other mental health professionals” told Nancy Pelosi they were “deeply concerned that there was something seriously wrong” with Donald Trump, “and that his mental and psychological health was in decline”.
“I’m not a doctor,” the former speaker writes in an eagerly awaited memoir, “but I did find his behaviors difficult to understand.”
She was born in 1940 and is running for re-election last I heard…
If she listened to doctors she’d have retired a decade ago.
It’s the same shit as when Biden said this stuff, they’re in a glass house and the only reason the walls are still standing is they’re too old to lift a rock.
She’s got a point, but the same point could be made about her, so it’s hard to take her seriously.
So, you agree with her statement because of its content, but then try to cast doubt on the same statement because of who said it?
I’m not casting doubt on the statement, I’m saying people who care about hypocrisy wont listen to hypocrites.
And people who don’t care about hypocrisy are voting trump.
Don’t think of it as someone engaged in politics and informed of current events.
Think of it as the ~1/3 of Americans that almost never vote. They’re the ones who need to be convinced, and they’re not going to listen to one 80 year old currently in office say another 80 year old is too old.
If Pelosi believed that. She wouldn’t be in office.
It’s like when Republicans go after each other, they might occasionally say something true. Doesn’t make it untrue, but also no one should be listening to them.
Not really, no. That she’s too old and that Trump isn’t mentally fit can both be true at the same time. That’s not how logic or reality work.
The difference is she’s saying:
And not
She can’t say the second one, because anyone thats seen her speak publicly recently can see she’s 84 years old and experiencing the same stuff any of us lucky enough to live that long will.
OK, so there are two options there.
One, is you listen to doctors about Trump being unfit but not about Pelosi being too old.
Two is you listen to doctors about Trump being unfit AND about Pelosi being too old.
In both of those scenarios you listen to doctors about Trump being unfit. So it’s your prerogative to extend that to Pelosi or not, which I don’t particularly care about, but that doesn’t change the point about Trump.
Still not how logic or reality work.
To clarify, I think anyone over 80 (even Bernie) is too old to hold important political office.
What I’m saying is when Pelosi says trump is too old, it means as much to the average person as if Trump says Pelosi is too old.
Anyone under 70 is free to shout it from the mountain tops. And even Jimmy Carter since he’s not holding office.
Do you not understand why Pelosi saying this won’t change a single person’s mind?
The only people who tolerate hypocrisy, are voting trump.
Pelosi saying this wouldn’t change anybody’s mind if she was a teenager. Constant reinforcement from multiple sources and repeated reasons for the narrative to be present in media may change the perception over time.
The headline is the goal here. The headline exists, the goal is accomplished. Now you need a few hundred headlines like that one from different sources based on different causes.
Just to be absolutely clear, Pelosi was a major player in doing this exact thing to Biden. It was less than two weeks ago. We need to start having some object persistence at some point.
You’re thinking of “change someone’s mind” like, convince them to change their vote.
I’m talking “change someone’s mind” as in getting someone to vote who currently thinks both sides are the same.
Look at Kamala, she’s pretty much saying the same stuff Biden was saying about trump. But because she’s a functional adult it means more and people are jumping out of the woodworks to endorse her…
That’s a huge example of how the person saying something matters.
It certainly is a huge example of how the person running matters, and of how this stuff is, unfortunately, a matter of perception.
Which is to say, there is now a big incentive for all dems to keep hammering on the obvious point that Trump was a barely functioning idiot at his best and now he’s an old barely functioning idiot. The age of the person saying it only matters if you’re going to get in an argument about it, but if Pelosi’s book can get this into a headline, it’s certainly a valid hit on that front.
Because, again, if you’re a normie willing to vote democrat that is driven by image, not policy, it is way more relevant to get the message on as many places and as frequently as possible, nuance be damned.
And if you’re not, and you want to argue on the merits of the argument and not do armchair political strategy on the Internet, the fact that Trump is entirely unfit for the job is obvious in any case.
But of the people who haven’t decided to vote, how many would hear of this?
How many are reading political articles but can’t decide who to vote for?
This ain’t outreach, it’s inreach. Which isn’t even a word, because it’s a pointless endeavor