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    People don’t want a progressive government. They (at best) want a government that returns to the time just before Citizens united. They want to stop back-sliding. But they aren’t thinking about “progress” in any way that I understand progress.

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      Yeah this is just a non-sense statement with no grounding in reality.

      What Presidential election have Democrats won without a progressive candidate or platform in the past 25 years?

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        Uh, Obama, Biden, every democratic president literally in the past 25 years.

        Do you think Obama was a progressive? If so, I got some news for you. The overton window has shifted, and every Democrat president in the last 25 years has been Right-lite.

        Actual progressive candidates have no chance in these races. They’re seen as “extremists” now.

        I dare ANY candidate now to campaign on a $25/hr minimum wage. They’ll get absolutely liquified by the media.

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          Do remember the Affordable Healthcare Act? Obama pushed for national healthcare and was ultimately quashed. That was a progressive push. I would not consider Obama progressive, but he sure as hell was the most progressive president since Carter. Biden is a regressive chump that suits the DNC’s interests

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            Biden is a regressive chump

            Biden has governerned as a regressive chump, but the DNC platform of 2020 was the most progressive platform for any major political party, pretty much since Roosevelt. Biden’s 2020 campaign was one of the most progressive in US history, from a policy perspective.

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              I don’t disagree with any of that. He got to play spoiler for the Bernie camp again, took his platform and kneecapped it. As is tradition

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                I mean it got him elected. I’m cynical enough that I want him to do it again. But he’s not going to get elected continuing to spit in the face of progressives.

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            Then we don’t disagree. Having 1-2 progressive stances does not mean you’re a progressive candidate.

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          They may have governed to the right, but that’s not what got them elected. Both of those candidates campaigned as progressives, or adopted highly progressive platforms.

          You know. Campaigning. The part where you get elected?

          And the two Democrats who campaigned to the center right, Hillary and Kerry, both lost their elections.

          To be clear: We’re talking about campaigning right now, not governance.

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            That’s exactly what got them elected. They took moderate stances on things. They didn’t campaign on progressive ideas at ALL. The last progressive candidate we saw was Bernie, and he was deemed too extreme.

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              No, they didn’t. Not at all. You are just re-writing history to fit your narrative.

              Obama ran on holding wall street accountable (he didn’t) and on fixing healthcare/

              Biden xeroxed Bernies entire platform. Like verbatim.

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                Not rewriting history, just happen to remember it with a bit more clarity than you it seems. I don’t have on rose-tinted glasses, as I criticize every politician. I don’t have a horse in this race, so I’m not blinded by confirmation bias.

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                  just happen to remember it with a bit more clarity than you it seems

                  No, you don’t. You are just making shit up. GO look up their platforms.