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    I hate DeSantis as much as the next guy but cmon, this title is misleading. He said he would “drone strikes cartels,” not that he wanted to go to war.

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            Still, misleading title, he’s not proposing a war. Could it potentially lead to war? Yeah but it’s very, very unlikely Mexico would actually declare war on America.

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              What the fuck do you think putting your military into another country uninvited is? What the fuck are you doing quibbling over “potentially” a war or not? What you’re essentially saying here is that you’re ok with it as long if Mexico cowers and doesn’t fight back.

              This is a disgusting level of nationalism. You’re already making excuses for america.

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                Typical hexbears to shove words down throats.

                I never said I wasn’t against this, I’m merely saying the title should’ve been something like, “Ron DeSantis proposes uninvited drone strikes on Mexican cartel”

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              The United States is not an arbiter of which Mexicans are to be extrajudicially executed by drone strikes. You’re acting like a coward who’s only too happy the Mexicans are too weak to strike back.

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                Buddy all I’m saying is the title is misleading. I’m obviously against the US bombing Mexican cartels, I just don’t think it’s going to start a war.

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                  Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won’t trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn’t be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, ‘this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that’s not really a war’.

                  I’m sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.

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              The US hasn’t declared a war since WW2, they’ve still gone to war. Neither the US nor Libya declared war on each other but it still counts as a war when the US bombs the absolute shit out of a country.

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          So you’d be okay with the Chinese dropping a bomb on a house in your neighbourhood because some right-wing nut was gonna blow up a government building?

          He’s a terrorist, so it’s all good right?

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            I mean, I’m not going to shed any tears over a would-be Timothy McVeigh who probably fantasized about killing leftists like me.

            Now, if they start bombing weddings, then we’ve got a problem. And yeah, the US military did that.

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              At this point you really need to define what a “war” is because all you’re doing is dancing around without having to actually stake any claim to an argument. Instead of getting indignant at people drawing conclusions from what you DO say, make the substance of your opinion known so it can be examined and criticized openly.

              Explain what the difference is between having your military attack another country and a “congress didn’t say it’s a war but it’s really a war”.

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                At this point you really need to define what a “war” is

                “a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state”

                Key word, “between.” You can’t have a war if no one declares war.

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                  You can’t have a war if no one declares war

                  Are you just fucking with us now? Is this a bit?

                  I’ve seen at least one other person gently remind you of the last 70 years of US history. Are you just being a troll at this point?

                  I worded my question explicitly so as to make you think about this. Can you please try to?

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                  Two states fighting against each other for the other state’s territory or resources is not a war unless they declare war?

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          I’m sure the regime who drone struck weddings, hospitals, and loves to double-tap to catch civilians coming to help victims in the aftermath can be trusted to only kill “terrorists” (don’t ask what they define as a terrorist)

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          What if i say the us army are terrorists? Then sending ordinance into your country should be fine no. Since i said they are terrorists.

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          Maybe you should worry more about your meth-addled midwest shithole than try to turn socal into a warzone? Jesus christ I wish we could drone strike whatever meth lab you’re posting from.

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      Holy shit. How did people ever get it in their heads that drone strikes are not military incursions? Is it because there’s no humans physically entering the territory? Would you think the same thing if we were lobbing artillery shells over the border?

      And how would doing either of those things without the cooperation of the Mexican government be anything other than an act of war?

      I mean, I get that there is a difference between sending an armored column to occupy Juarez and a drone strike, and it’s not clear from the title which one we’re talking about, but you can’t really dispute that either of those things would be an act of war under any meaningful definition.

      It’s an insane thing to say, regardless, because if you know anything about US Mexico relations you know he’s not talking about some kind of cooperative anti-cartel police action. He is in fact talking about an act of war. And a particularly stupid one at that.

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        I’d say YOU guys (Hexbears and Lemmygradians) are bots. In fact, I’m probably talking to one right now.

        The pronoun tags give it away. They’re completely random. My inbox as follows:

        “none/use name” - “she/her” - “ze/hir” - “they/them” - “any” - “comrade/them” - “comrade/them” - “he/him”

        Jfc did Russian propagandists just put the pronouns for these bots…on shuffle? I’m not saying all of you guys are bots but it seems like the majority. Lol I wonder if there’s a script I can use to shut you down.

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            Nope, it would make sense if the pronoun tags were 90% he/him and she/her, but the extent of variation among the tags user choose is completely unrealistic and arbitrary that any community would have.

            Any tankie space would obviously be like 98% he/him neckbeards only.

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              We’re a radically pro-trans community. A purge of transphobes near the beginning was a formative moment for our community. We’re radically welcoming of trans folks, so a lot of trans folks post here.

              Also trans folks are disproportionately leftist (for a good reason, liberation for trans folks cannot come through capitalism), the idea that “tankies” would be majority “he/him neckbeards” is silly, if not actually outright transphobic.

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                trans folks are disproportionately leftist for a good reason

                I said “tankies,” not leftists. I’m sure most trans people are democratic socialists, anarchists, or non-authoritarian communists. I have a hard time believing a lot of you guys aren’t disinformation bots.

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                  The way “tankie” is used today it just means communist who has actually read communist theory and understands the nature of imperialism and applies it correctly to the current geopolitical situation in the world.

                  Solipsism and paranoia win the day in your brain yet again. People can’t possibly earnestly have these opinions, because I’m not used to them, must be bots. Doesnt matter that they have three years of post history where they talk about innocuous stuff that has nothing to do with Russia and china. Thats just part of the act. And the fact that you think the pronoun tags make it MORE likely that we’re bots is even more laughable.

                  Its really fucking depressing seeing how effective the “bot” propaganda has been.

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                    At this point I don’t think you’re a bot but it’s pretty obvious many of you are. The fact any and every comment gets 10+ upvotes in 15 minutes is unnatural for a site like this. There should be some comments with under 5 upvotes but I NEVER see hexbear comments get under that.

                    I have a hard time believing any community is that gender diverse.

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                  More than half of our mods and admins are trans or enby and most of the rest are some other flavour of queer, about a quarter to a third or so of the user base is trans or enby iirc based on the poll we did on the demographics of the user base a year or so ago, I’m trans, the person you’re speaking to is an enby I believe, about half of the people dunking on you are trans/enby and almost all are queer because hexbear is radically anti discrimination and routinely cyberbullies bigots

                  We’re literally the largest explicitly queer instance on Lemmy except blahaj.zone

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                  quite literally no. I’m a trans person and find hexbear to be one of the most radically accepting of any online space I’ve ever encountered next to purely trans ones. in some cases moreso because we ban truscum.

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                I’ve met many liberal politicians, activists, and organizers in my life. I’ve been to many polling places dominated by liberals. This is absolutely not true and a weird thing to say - tons of women and Black people are present. Liberalism is a white supremacy upholding system, but it’s also the only option many marginalized people believe they have because of how closed off political horizons are in the US. For careerists, it gives an opportunity to be a black face in a high place.

                Soc Dem spaces, yeah, ime, this is correct.

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                Liberal and Soc-Dem spaces are mostly white male neckbeards

                No they aren’t tf. Maybe on reddit but that’s 90% of reddit.

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                  No, that is true, even if it is less directly disqualifying of the specific political tendencies, and the closing of practical horizons of American politics meant that there is a vast demobilization of political action. So, mostly because voting and engagement with mainstream politics is highly correlated with several axes of privilege, white people vote more than non-white, wealthy vote more than poor, etc. So, most mainstream politics and all electoral positions over-represents white middle-to-upper class. There is less of a gender gap on the face of it for parties than one would think because there are a lot of white and women from conservative areas that vote Republican. But there is also a boomerang effect of people that are privileged enough to not suffer ill effects of failure of sabotaged progressive movements such as the Black Panthers and Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition are more likely to vote to the left of the Democratic Party. Because you could get some minor pork-barrel spending if you support the establishment over progressive candidate that will just be crushed by the machine or fizzle out due to internal fractures and more minor sabotage.

                  So, yes they are. Maybe that is 90% of electoral politics, but it is true that Soc-Dems are disproportionately white men. Though that is more of mainstream politics over-representing privilege on many axes. And also if it is divorced from daily struggle and immediate issues (as mainstream politics works to alienate us from), then politics becomes horse-race stuff for nerds.

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          The pronoun tags give it away. They’re completely random.

          Nice transphobia you got there. How are cis people that fucking ignorant of nonbinary people existing?

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      Groups in the US have been working on this for quite some time. The Mexican president has condemned invasion threats from these american groups and called the american media sphere trying to build up to this fascistic, comparing american media to goebbels.

      The excuse being used is cartels. But it is ultimately an invasion to force mexico into privatisation of various resources and inflict american will on them.

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      Yeah right, and when Trump talked about the “bad hombres” coming over the border and bringing crime with them he was totally just talking about the bad Mexicans. This totally isn’t just another American candidate for the presidency stoking racial hatred to garner votes from people who believe these things.