A democratic state where the proletariat are in control owning the MoP fundamentally isn’t capitalist, “state capitalist” or otherwise. Capitalism requires specific social relations that aren’t met within socialized ownership.

Please read “Imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism” and then explain what you mean.

There was some integration (as second class citizens) and some displacement.

Yes they straight up have displaced Jewish Palestinians.

No, settler colonialism

uyghur and tibetan genocide deniers

You mean like the ethnically and religiously diverse muslim delegations from around the world that investigated the claims of uyghur genocide and declared them unfounded?

Here is an article trying to spin it from voice of america, a state funded US media outlet:

https://www.voanews.com/a/arab-league-visits-china-s-xinjiang-region-rejects-uyghur-genocide/7131285.html

I think the claims of genocide in Tibet are kinda goofy, given the US is trying to prop up some child-tongue-sucking theocratic feudalists to install as their regime.

They lost in 2024 because they couldn’t address the economy and kept sending billions to Israel as it was committing a very public genocide lol, not because they stood up for people.

No country is an angel though, at the same time Britain was intentionally starving Indians and the US had Japanese American citizens (including children) in concentration camps

How has China been picking up the slack? Who have they couped or invaded? Who have they sanctioned?

Do you think socialists are out to collectivize your toothbrush?

No, the siezing of factories and large estates is not equivalent to siezing your sewing needles or your backyard garden. They seize these means of production because their previous ownership was about denying people access to the means of production, not because they don’t think individuals should have their own means of production.

Please enlighten me what the substantive difference between ‘industrial scale’ and ‘systematic and widespread’ is.

Literally the difference between the holocaust and a pogrom.

Similarly, please point out to me what your exact issue is with the report I linked.

A lack of institutional credibility and an unwillingness to read a 20 page report that references things that have already been debunked- for example, i took a vertical slice to dig into, looking in detail about their claims of abducted children that do not align with the reality of later western-biased reporting on the issue.

Also, citation needed that Zenz is a fascist. I found much criticism of him, but no credible allegation that he is a fascist.

He describes himself as a “Christian Nationalist” and “on a God given mission to destroy China” and his institute used to be a cia front (arguably still is, although it has now been obscured through another front organization) If he isn’t a fascist, he is close enough to the picture that he still isn’t credible.

Continue, you only have several more claims that aren’t cited. For example, the use of language “industrial scale” for torture.

Also please keep in mind that this isn’t a high standard of evidence, as UN reports often are influenced- such as the significant citations of the German fascist Adrien Zenz in some of their reporting on China.

And the Olympic gold for comically missing the point by getting strangely defensive goes to…

I’ve found no UN reports detailing activities such as those on an industrial scale. Please cite the UN reports.

“Save lives” are you dense? Russia is kidnapping, torturing, killing and deporting Ukrainians in the occupied regions on an industrial scale.

Serious citations needed. Please do not spread atrocity propaganda in this comm.

Okay, so are you not able to or not willing to answer the question of “what has to happen for you to start giving a shit?”

Do you not understand that this topic includes democratic politicians straight up being collaborators, and how that might be relevant to the argument you’re trying to make?

The immediate alternative was still worse.

This is right after the election.The immediate alternative is that democrats don’t fucking cave on whether they should take part in genocide, when taking part in that genocide is actually incredibly unpopular with voters.

When do you plan on actually contributing to an alternative?

Seriously, what concrete things need to happen before you’re like “a better world is worth taking risks for”?

You said:

In the meantime: this is the hole we are in. Act accordingly.

AKA “I’m acting like this reality is inescapable”

And also:

If you could actually fucking do that, I would welcome it with open arms.

AKA “I’d love it if someone were to do the work for me”