Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

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    6 months ago

    How bad would Biden have to be, how close to trump in word and deed before you would recognize that he’s not worth voting for?

    Im asking because he was tailing and in some cases flanking trump from the right before the genocide started.

    Where’s the line? When do you stand up and fight?

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      6 months ago

      You’re conflating things.

      The fight should be happening regardless. The strategy should be to have that fight under the lesser evil of the 2 possible administrations.

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        What’s the line where you say “actually it’s better to push for an alternative than to try and pick 99.99% Hitler over the genuine article”?

        And if you really think it’s about the terrain, why don’t you take an accelerationist view and push for the terrain that heightens the contradictions soonest?

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          We’re past the line. We should already be pushing for alternatives. That changes nothing about the strategy of working with the actual possibilities that exist in front of us, today.

          And if you really think it’s about the terrain, why don’t you take an accelerationist view and push for the terrain that heightens the contradictions soonest?

          Because like both-siders, that’s a ridiculous and juvenile political take.

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            6 months ago

            Okay, well you only have one vote. When is it more important to use it for an alternative rather than perpetuate a possibly (I gotta emphasize this) less bad status quo?

            And I don’t ascribe to accelerationism but it’s not juvenile by any means. How is your outlook of using the only minuscule political agency you’re allowed within the American electoral system to make the terrain a little nicer for everyone any different than using it to move closer to where it’s bad enough that a mass uprising happens?

            People don’t overthrow their rulers when everything’s hunky dory.

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              When is it more important to use it for an alternative rather than perpetuate a possibly (I gotta emphasize this) less bad status quo?

              When there is a possibility for that candidate to win. Otherwise, vote strategically against the worse candidate of the 2 possible options.

              And I don’t ascribe to accelerationism but it’s not juvenile by any means.

              Good for you. Doesn’t change the fact that its tantamount to throwing a tantrum.

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                6 months ago

                So there’s never a time when voting for a third party that isn’t projected to be in the running is acceptable?

                Knowing that the institutional acceptance and funding mechanisms for third parties are tied to their turnout and that third party turnout signals to the two main parties where they could shift to get votes?

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                  6 months ago

                  Not while FPTP is the system

                  signals to the two main parties where they could shift to get votes?

                  HA!

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                    6 months ago

                    What’s so funny? The Perot campaign defined messaging on nafta and put us on track to run candidates who would replace it over two decades before it happened.

                    It’s easy to laugh at and dismiss third parties or accelerationism, and maybe that kind of rhetoric works on twitter or whatever, but refusal to engage with or critique ideas is the mark of a deeply unserious outlook.

                    To your point about the structure of the system, if you never color outside the lines, you’ll never end up with anything different than what was intended when the page was printed.