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      i can’t believe i enabled images for this

      they’re not even figures, they’re just snippets of text from natopedia that somehow unequivocally support my claim

      what am i supposed to do with this? gloat?

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        If you actually read it you would know the vast majority either want to keep the self-governance or become fully independent (50%). Both of those are some form of separatism, even if most of them don’t want anything radical that could trigger a war.

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            I said Taiwanese people are overwhelmingly separatists. Proved to be true, seeing only 18% want China having any control over them.

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              jfc, points for trying to turn this into a semantics game but sorry, fuck you

              lets look at bbc, first result we get when we search "台独民意调查“ on google.hk because apparently google.tw is too spicy for google’s techbro commissariat. whatever, close enough:

              2020年的数据首先反映在统独立场。台湾人偏向“台湾独立”的支持度为27.7%,是历年最高;“尽快独立”的民意有7.4%。此外,希望“两岸统一”则占5.1%,是历年最低。选择“维持现状再决定”的民众比例为28.7%,而且在持续下降中。“永远维持现状”者占23.6%

              even tries to reframe it by breaking up de facto status quo supporters into two camps but plurality still supports status quo

              how about cn language natopedia

              2020, NCCU (same as the bbc study):

              1. “尽快独立”占7.4%
              2. “偏向独立”占27.7%,为历年最高
              3. “永远维持现状”占23.6%
              4. “维持现状再决定”的民众比例持续下降至28.7%
              5. “尽快统一”占0.7%创下新低

              2021, united news:

              1. “尽快独立”占18%
              2. “维持现况再独立”占16%
              3. “永远维持现状”占51%
              4. “维持现状再统一”占6%
              5. “尽快统一”占4%
              6. “无意见”占3%

              2022, ‘taiwanese public opinion foundation’ (read: cia cutout):

              1. “坚持台湾独立”占27.3%
              2. “赞成但不坚持台湾独立”占22.8%
              3. “维持现状但偏台湾独立”占11.3%
              4. “永远维持现状”占8.4%
              5. “维持现状但偏两岸统一”占6.0%
              6. “赞成但不坚持两岸统一”占9.4%
              7. “坚持两岸统一”占2.4%

              look at how they progressively split the status quo category (the size of which does not demonstrably change) into smaller and smaller demos to try and push an agenda

              let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and more closely examine what is obviously the most compromised source here. this is the cia cutout’s (shitty and completely unprofessional) paper from this year. they’d probably lose funding if they put something as damning as actual independence vs status quo numbers out there so they decided to go with plausibly deniable second order opinion sets and STILL get blown the fuck out

              just take the L dude, taiwanese are completely cognizant of the fact they’re being primed to be the next ukraine and most of them understandably want no part of that