• zeppo@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I found it kind of wild the extent of undocumented immigration we have in the US (hundreds of thousands a year), and an article I read the other day said Finland was experiencing ‘dozens’ of immigrants coming over. Or this about 2 people.

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      11 months ago

      Is the US border closed completely? This is about the border between Finland and Russia that is now closed until mid-January. It is not about immigration to Finland or anywhere else in the EU. The sudden appearance of would-be immigrants with no visas is a part of Russia’s hybrid operations against Finland, because the two have had a practice where Russia will not allow people with no visas to pass their border control to approach Finland, and Russia suddenly started letting them through.

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        11 months ago

        It’s theoretically closed to illegal immigrants, sure. Of course in practice that’s very difficult to do given the terrain, length and remote nature of much of the southern border.

        I have read about how this is believed to be an intentional destabilization attempt by Russia, which of course they’d do. Also given the governments fascist nature, I’m sure they don’t really want immigrants.

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          11 months ago

          The Finland-Russia border is completely closed though, so you can’t pass through with any kind of documentation. It is about 1300 km (800 miles) long , which is of course a lot less than the USA south border, but then again Finland is very small compared to the USA. I feel bad for the poor people who are stuck in Russia even though someone falsely told them they could get to Finland. They are being used as pawns in someone else’s game, and the northern winter is not gentle on newcomers.

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            11 months ago

            I get that the US has 60 times the population of Finland. That’s actually a very large border for the size of the country - the US Southern border is about 1900 miles. The Border Control agency stopped 2.75 million illegal crossings a year, and who knows how many people made it.

            The cold and migrants thing is reminiscent of the bullshit that the states of Texas and Florida have been pulling lately… illegally busing migrants by surprise to other states. Just last month Texas sent a busload to Denver and that’s been going on a while. DeSantis might have stopped by now, not sure. Denver is pretty cold in the winter as well, and there are thousands of people from Venezuela living there in tents now. It’s a callous game with people’s lives totally in line with the personalities of Tex. Gov Abbott and DeSantis of Florida.

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      11 months ago

      In Europe and Finland there are a lot of undocumented immigrants. It’s in the news as well. This is news because it’s from Russia through a border which should be closed fully.

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      11 months ago

      illegal immigration in the us includes people overstaying visas. Finland has plenty of overstayed visas too, but the border to Russia is meant to be closed due to the war escalation in Ukraine.

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        11 months ago

        Sure, but I’m talking about people who come up from Central America with no visa at all.

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      11 months ago

      Imo, its part of the whole “America bad” thing going on, that America deserves it.Finland is a “good” country, so its notable when they get punished.