• NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
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    8 months ago

    and then imagine them all dead?

    Did that happen?

    Also while atrocities were committed on October 7th, AFAIK there was no mass murder. And if you’re wondering how so many people died then, there’s an unknown but significant number of IDF-inflicted casualties in those 1139.

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      I’m not sure what’s the definition of mass murder but advancing in a city/place and start killing indiscriminately sounds a lot like it.

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        Yes but I’m saying that didn’t happen to my knowledge. From what we know so far about the attack, the IDF response was far from careful not to harm civilians, and in some cases chose to actively kill hostages to get the Hamas soldiers who captured them.

        Israel so far hasn’t done anything close to releasing the number of people who died to IDF fire, or just in the crossfire between Hamas and the IDF, and until they do that they have no grounds to claim Hamas committed mass murder.

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        ~ 1/3 military kills is definitely not “indiscriminately killing”. These numbers change everything.

        It’s not a mass murder anymore. Oct7 was a justified targeted retaliation.

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          Justified retaliation, and an operation meant to get concessions out of Israel for Gazans. That’s why they took the hostages.

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      8 months ago

      there was no mass murder

      Go fuck yourself with a fork if 1139, or even 500 isn’t a mass murder in your dictionary, I don’t feel like I want to talk to you. You don’t help palestinians by downplaying what hamas bastards did to jews while enjoying golf courses in Quatar.

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        Fuck yourself first asshole they used this excuse to declare a genocide and it comes out Israeli leadership fucking funded Hamas and allowed this shit to happen.

        Hamas sucks but everything they did has Israeli hands helping and now Israeli hands are committing genocide.

        How fuckin stupid are you?

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            Yes i absolutely will excuse Hamas. They’re a rabid angry abused dog taunted and then their owner secretly unlocked the fence and cried “what a bad dog look what it did to me!”

            Israel is the start and end of this Hamas is a pawn. Fuck off idiot.

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              You are honest about that. I’d give you that. It feels refreshing to find an opponent who stays by their ideals. Thinking you are terminally wrong, I respect you still being there.

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            Excuse Hamas for what?

            Launching an attack on a white supremacist settler-colonialist state that has been waging war on Palestinians since 1949?

            I think it is you that needs to get lost.

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        I literally responded to that in the very next sentence. Until the IDF counts the people their own fire killed, and the ones who died in the crossfire, both of which exist in significant numbers, we have no evidence Hamas did anything close to mass murder. Also that 1139 is counting the 373 security force people, which are legitimate military targets.