• I_Has_A_Hat@startrek.website
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    7 months ago

    Lots of people seem to have learned what “war” is in the last few months and are shocked that it includes large numbers of civilian casualties.

    Israel has the equipment and capability to wipe Gaza off the map if they wanted to. If this were an actual genocide and killing Palestinians was the only goal, there would be way, WAY more casualties.

    Now, is Israel committing war crimes? Absolutely. So is Hamas. So is nearly any armed group that finds themselves in a conflict. War is brutal and turns men into monsters capable of horrendous things. But this doesn’t fit the definition of genocide and it cheapens the word to try and frame it that way.

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      7 months ago

      Mate if they orchestrated a complete mass murder in an instant, absolutely no one would be able to defend it. This way, people get to just say “well, it’s war”.

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      It’s not “large numbers of civilian casualties”

      It’s “the VAST majority of deaths are innocent civilians”. It’s like if Texas kidnapped 5 random citizens to kill every time someone was given the death sentence. Would you say that’s acceptable because it’s just “collateral damage”?

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        7 months ago

        This is by design on the part of Hamas though. It doesn’t excuse the situation, but it does make it more complicated especially with regard to intent, which has to matter when considering charges of genocide.

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            I don’t know that one negative makes the other right. They can both be culpable of fabricating this situation to feed larger interests. IDF is reeling in Bibi’s dirty war and Hamas is Iran’s puppet to destabilize the region. They are all shitheads, as history had shown. I don’t know why leftys have coraled around defending Hamas when it’s the Palestinian people suffering the brunt of their actions.

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              7 months ago

              Hamas is Iran’s puppet to destabilize the region.

              Not saying I don’t believe you, but do you have sources or more info?

              My reason for “defending” Hamas is because of the scale of destruction (Israel is systematically destroying their entire country vs homemade mortars made by Hamas) and the intent (Israel wants to have the entire land to themselves by almost any means necessary vs Hamas wants to fight their oppressors) so I place much more blame on Israel for killing civilians than Hamas. Both are bad, sure. Everyone knows that, every innocent death is an absolute and heartbreaking tragedy. Hamas has little control of the situation tho, while Israel has the third largest military in the world. Who do you think is more responsible?

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          7 months ago

          Oh, look… the White Supremacism Fan Brigade is blaming genocide on the victims of genocide again.

          Of course, the liberals who run Lemmy.world will ban me if I call you a fascist or a white supremacist… because reasons.

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      All of these posts are so weird to me about arguing that Israel is commiting genocide. No one seems to mention or care that over and over again Hamas has admitted and encouraged genocide against Israel. But they’re smaller so I guess it’s okay?

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        One is a terrorist group. The other famously self-describes as “the only democracy in the Middle East”.

        Do you really think we should have equal expectations?

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      Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

      It’s a genocide. Your point is they could probably be more efficient and obvious about the civilian murder. Therefore, it’s not a genocide.

      Your point is moronic.

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      Right. Because if their goal was to wipe out all Palestinians, they would of course put all of their efforts and resources towards that without letting international politics affect what they do and how they do it… /s

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      And Nazi Germany could have used poison gas to clear the western USSR of it’s population so much faster - so I guess there was nothing genocidal about Nazi Germany, eh apologist?