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    Not sure where you have been in the past years but ISIS and Islamists in Libya.

    The Middle East is a curious place. Regime change doesn’t work if the population are too fractured for nation building, which Middle Eastern countries has plenty of. It is tragic to argue that living under authoritarians that provide stability is better than living free but without law and order.

    I’m an advocate for democracy as much as the next person, but the secular dictators are what kept Islamic extremism in check. In this case, the dictators are the lesser evils. Which is why people accept that Bashar Al Assad won the Syrian civil war instead of placing faith on any of the opposition to rule, some of whom are Islamists.

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      1 year ago

      I would, quite frankly, rather live in a world with more democracies and more extremists than a world with fewer of both.

      Liberal Democracy is the only acceptable form of governance.

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        Liberal democracy only works if people are A) well educated and informed and B) have a strong identity as a group. Societies need to be well informed on issues and work towards finding solutions that benefit all. Unfortunately, many countries lack either or both.

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          You know what’s not better than a flawed democracy? A dictatorship.

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                Well I wish I could, but frankly there is heavy Western centrist to exalt democracy by someone who speaks from the comfort of their air-conditioned homes and with rule of law. Dictatorship and authoritarianism are not bad in and of itself bad. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150531-will-dictators-disappear

                And naively saying Iraq has become better despite hundreds of thousands dead and led to the sprung up of ISIS is… I don’t know, imperialist? White man’s burden? Easy to say that Iraq has been doing well when one doesn’t have to flee from conflict

                Democracy must be an organic thing not enforced. As the article said, humans are not predisposed to crave democracy if security is the greater priority.

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                  Honestly did not think I’d get a “dictatorship good” today.

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                    You have a lot more to learn about the real world outside of “international community”.