@chemical_cutthroat
Again, all of your analogical effort presumes that an LLM is synthesizing. When I say, specifically, they generate outputs based on statistical probability it’s not at all the same as a sentient process of reiterative learning based on their available knowledge.

If you can’t get that distinction, then all the effort to respond to you will expect too much from me (personally; I wish the best to others who’d like). If you’re really sincere though, honestly it’s been best elaborated by Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender in their writings about the “stochastic parrot”. Please do have a read. https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922
@stopthatgirl7

@chemical_cutthroat

If I do a book report based on a book that I picked up from the library, am I violating copyright? If I write a movie review for a newspaper that tells the plot of the film, am I violating copyright?

The first conceptual mistake in this analogy is assuming the LLM entity is “writing”. A person or a sentient being writing is still showing signs of intellectual work, which is how the example book report and movie review will not be accused of plagiarism, which is very very basically stealing someone’s output but one that is not made legally ownership of (which then brings it to copyright infringement territory).

LLMs are producing text based on statistical probability meaning it is quite literally aping/replicating the aesthetic form of a known genre of textual output, which in these cases are given the legal status of intellectual property. So yes, an LLM-generated textual output that is in the form of a book report or movie review looks the way it does by copying with no creative intent previous works of the genre. It’s the same way YouTube video essays get taken down if it’s just a collection of movie clips that might sound like a full dialogue. Of course in that example yt clip, if you can argue it’s a creative output where an artist is forming a new piece out of a collage of previous media, the rights owner to those movie clips might lose their claim to the said video. You can’t make that defence with OpenAI.

@stopthatgirl7

@revampeduser assuming you’ve subscribed so that the community is now regularly fetched from/pushed to kbin.social, then it’s likely a momentary hiccup with the federation which can be instance-specific

I didn’t want to eta, so addition: what is being federated right now is readability and participation - with your kbin account you can absolutely interact with other fedi posts. But on the client-side options for a cross-platform one that can also be useable with a threadi login is still unavailable.

@adonis

@adonis the quickest answer is that the clients you’ve explored are optimized for a specific fedi software. Pre-reddit meltdown most clients developed were designed for Mastodon and its forks or close cousins whose backend are coherent like Pixelfed. This includes the Mastodon app itself. There are other microblog softwares, like Calckey - they also don’t parse the same way so most fedi clients for microblogs can’t log you in to your Calckey instance.

With the threadiverse softwares, none of them are rendered the same way as Mastodon, so that’s why you can’t login with those clients. And with the threadiverse clients, currently what’s available are software-specific - jerboa only works with Lemmy for example. Interoperable threadi clients are in heavy development though, if you don’t mind waiting. At the moment there is no Kbin-optimized clients.

Sooooo for today, if you have a Masto-flavoured account, it’s almost a given any of the popular clients can log you in. Hope that helps!

@CarlsIII aye no worries - fair ask

@Friend

@CarlsIII try click on More at the original post and select Copy to Fediverse. That’ll get you the originating url. This works for every type of post and comment.

@Friend

@xtremeownage Downvotes do nothing here to trigger deletion or admin action.

@CynAq you don’t have to defed entire instances, if the instance themselves are willing to keep to their own principles. If that’s not kept or they’ve changed their position, it is actually Fedi culture to date, to defed (this is on instance to instance basis). Federation isn’t being connected to everyone, it’s practicing the right to associate. That’s why if you don’t agree with your instance, unlike closed systems, you have the right/freedom to move.

(The problem is the moving so far only carries your social graph not post history. So yes there is a penalty - but this also incentivize users to also push their admins to act more representatively. Assuming that’s what the majority wants)

@macallik
Absolutely. If this is true then for the other small to mid-size instances it’s not just an existential threat philosophically but technically. They’re expecting Threads onboarding might just knock out instances because of the traffic. Might as well limit or block just for your own performance metrics.

@NotTheOnlyGamer ah okay, i see where you’re coming from. I’m still quite strident about it only because AP being open source, the current Fedi discourse is as much political as well as technical - and you’re right, the era of corporate internet is not winding down just yet. But it’s also not a given i can’t advocate for better controls especially because fediverse means i have more control than a user of corporate socmed over which server to go and what software to use. It’s slightly easier to feel that there is something that i can do because i think there is. We wouldn’t be here otherwise (instead we’ll tolerate what Twitter has become, what reddit continues to become). I come from the livejournal era, and that code was forked many which ways and the various journal clones became where the migration headed to when sixapart bought it (then later Russia via corporate proxy). But it was slightly too early in tech and user quality - but I feel like I’m reliving the days I’m on dreamwidth, still in touch with ppl who moved to insanejournal etc.

Because it’s possible, I’m still motivated enough to talk about it. And you know, thank you. Despite posting it in the meta community for this instance, barely anyone engaged in these concerns, not even those otherwise active. Ernest I’m sure is busy, but now I’m concerned not even those who’d sum up what’s going on here would talk about this. So I really appreciate the exchange.

@macallik and if you scroll down the comments, Byron from Universeodon, who did take the earlier meeting, did provide some vague points from the meeting. Relating to your point about big instances, it seems likely that FB wants to throw money at them so that they won’t become overwhelmed by the ensuing traffic (unlike the rest of us, I guess…) so they can demonstrate that the Instagram bridge (it’s an IG product) works.

@giallo @madjo @nameless_prole @stevecrox

@NotTheOnlyGamer that is definitely a good practice as an individual user. At instance-level, do you share my concerns tho?

I’m very sorry, atm it does sound the only thing left you can do is deleting his posts as it shows up on the blog

@NOOBMASTER @cutitdown @crossmr

@crossmr the way it’s set up (partly because the instance is meant to be proof of concept) is that every mag’s name becomes a hashtag that will be slurped. Try looking at your magazine panel… Hold on… Once you’re there then the tags tab should be to the right.

:( But I think this is definitely a flaw/worthy to raise a ticket because double-checking with mine, my magazine’s name is not one of the tags i can delete.

@NOOBMASTER @cutitdown

@Kierunkowy74 yup that’s a good move. But overwhelming traffic from legit users is still however an issue.

One rl illustration: https://ar.al/2022/11/09/is-the-fediverse-about-to-get-fryed-or-why-every-toot-is-also-a-potential-denial-of-service-attack/

@NotTheOnlyGamer

@furrowsofar very much this point. There’s an additional issue related to (kbin) infra as well, it does fetch content and present it as tho that person posted on the microblog here and short of contacting an admin, no user-level way to delete it (since they can’t actually login)

@crossmr I’ve never had to try this to a blocked account but… For your microblog, do you have posts that’re posted directly there. Like you know it’s posted there. You can even do a test one (Add new post - that type will always go to blog).

Then, click on More of the test post and select copy to Fediverse. That URL takes you to the original version of the post. If the test post confirms the magazine as it’s original URL, now do the More+copy to Fediverse to that post and see what’s the URL. If it exists back on his home account, then yes, might as well ping Ernest or add an issue ticket. That’s a critical flaw for mods.

@NOOBMASTER

@asjmcguire the user-level block means you the user can’t see the post. It’s still being fetched at instance level. So in terms of avoiding hate speech (political problem), good and quick step to do. In terms of overwhelming an instance with traffic (the technical problem), not so much.

@NotTheOnlyGamer ah ok, you haven’t seen either the posts here, or on the fediverse magazine, or just the fact the fedidb (who tracks usage stats) had to pause on their count for threadiverse accounts because spam accounts inflated the count, or lemmy.blahaj.zone having to take a minute to delete all the spam accounts…

But fundamentally you’re still not wrapping your head around what federation means. Just before Reddit Migration, the biggest and flagship instance mastodon.social, were put on silence or defed a few times this year because their open signups caused spam being sent across the fediverse.