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Don’t blame them. They are but a simple internet denizen born and raised in a world of walled gardens and proprietary protocols. The brilliance of the fediverse is blinding for they have never used their eyes.

No way, the rabble might ask for someone that doesn’t allow Nancy Pelosi to openly do insider trading.

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Correct. My point was democrats are upset that we are not in the world we ought be in, where lying would make voters turn against you.

My guess is that it’s a bit reality shattering to contend with the fact that lying and cheating is plenty good enough to not only win, but win in a landslide. Harsh truths and all.

My mistake.

Okay, but why are they you’re focus? Do you yell and rave about and at white people and latino people? Who didn’t just indirectly support fascism, but did directly? Because again, they are why Trump won, not third party voters.

Are you in the US? That would make them your politicians right?

Okay are those the two groups you’re yelling at? Because there are a ton more that didn’t show up for her. Why do these folks seem to be such a focus?

They didn’t cause this loss, the failures of the democrats did. Go yell at your politicians for failing to properly fight against fascism.

Die mad I guess, but again, foreign policy just doesn’t effect elections. You’re mad at the wrong people.

If we are at the point of solution by revolution, I think our aims should be higher than just first past the post…

I don’t know why you are considering them not bright here. Empirically, being the least worst option has barely worked with record turn out during an active pandemic. Aside from that, not being a convicted rapist is simple not enough to motivate people to the voting booths, so maybe the tactics need to change? I can argue what ought to be, but the simple reality is very clear, “Not Trump” isn’t a winning strategy and we should try something else.

Whooeee, scratch a lib eh?

Foreign policy is so far from a motivating factor for this country, why can’t you just accept that the democrats are a failure of a party? They went further and further right looking for the ‘Liz Cheney vote’ and lost the popular vote because of it.

It wasn’t deciding factor at all. People get far too internet poisoned and fail to realize how the median voter is actually motivated in this country. Foreign policy is nearly irrelevant to most voters.

If there is any validity to the idea that Harris’ position on gaza tanked the campaign it’s in the motivated active base lost interest in giving their time, sweat, and energy to putting boots on the ground for someone that has made every promise to continue bombing children.

We know libs have been saying that for nearly a year.

However you cannot give the pro palestine people in america what they want since many want a genocide against israel instead

You are inventing straw men. No one seriously expects this of Harris, and there is a lot of room between ‘reverse genocide’ and what the Biden/Harris admin did.

No you really shouldn’t have to be. They are responding in bad faith and distracting from the point of a serious conversation by um actuallying the fake sci-fi of a hypothetical.

No, and I’m not voting for Trump.

What secret plotting? They are giving them the weapons. If you believe dems when they say we need to stop shooting while they reload Israel’s guns you’re being played.

Ernie no!!

The wealthy aren’t a protected class, it’s not a hate crime.