StillNoLeftLeft [none/use name, she/her]

Imagine having an existance where this sounds like a world you want to build.

I assume this person to be just deeply broken, because this is so far beyond any dystopia anyone has ever written and then there lives an actual human being who would want this.

I think Tate should be studied, as some sort of horror of pathriarchy personified (and Musk, Peterson and all these types). These are like the most violent fantazies of a very immature mind, not that I necessary think immature is a good word for it, because kids are far more ok than these people.

This will definitely happen. We will see these people walking head on into lamp posts because “muh liberty”.

Just going to comment that with this one, we are going to need eye protection as the virus really likes the eyes.

So for this one, masking isn’t enough.

If anyone does riskier stuff, stoggles or a face shield, a good mask and protective gloves are probably a good combo for safety. And of course hand washing and avoidance of hand-to-eye contact.

I don’t know why I opened it, but I did.

And lol: “The BBC will be stripped down and rebuilt: • Its mission will be factual reporting, not propaganda. • BBC will get its topics from X”

We truly get to witness the most unserious things these days.

LDH reports first U.S. H5N1-related human death

As is tradition they remember to make public that the patient was over the age of 65 and was reported to have underlying medical conditions, so nobody needs to care and it is unnecessary to stop consuming or think about this much.

https://www.marquiselemercedes.com/read/food-deserts

Also we should just not use the word obe*ity. It is problematic. It should be put to the list of words that aren’t ok.

I am very nervous to bring this up because this typically causes terrible blowback so if anyone here has issues with this request, do think twice about what it is you decide needs to be said about it.

This is not a discussion about that, but resources have been posted here that you could read. But honestly you are probably cabable of finding such a place of discussion yourself if this discussion is so important to you right now when we are talking about anti-fatness.

I mean, fatness is truly the last thing standing on things that people are socially allowed to be shitty about. The fact that so many in this discussion demand receipts and resources from those who are the ones getting harmed is next level.

Here is a really good blog post about exactly this: https://www.marquiselemercedes.com/read/food-deserts

A few more resources for anyone who wants them:

https://www.marquiselemercedes.com/

https://dashaunharrison.com/ Reading list: https://dashaunharrison.com/fat-studies-body-and-desirability-politics-a-reading-list/

https://www.caleb-luna.com/

Podcasts, blogs, studies, discussions can all be found from these great folks doing this work.

I’d look into the origins of this epidemic if I were you.

Honestly I think I understand where you are trying to come from with this comment and yet it feels like this is victimizing fat people and still framing fatness as inherently bad and also somehow an individual choice even when you aknowledge we live in a society?

You bring up the bus seats and such as a point of I assume frustration? Wonder why that is and why this has become such a big deal? Why everyone is just ok with bullying the fat person that never fits in when for example tall people and big men also have this issue and take up more space in the world. But that nobody even notices.

Thank you for the clarification. I am sorry I misinterpeted you.

Fun fact: a lot of the sports people do are some of the most unhealthy behaviors we human animals can engage in. Especially at the professional end it just breaks you.

Yet that is celebrated without question. When a fitness dude breaks a knee lifting, he gets it fixed and is celebrated for it. When a fat woman breaks her knee while lifting, she is told the reason the knee broke is her fatness.

And the mandatory mention that even if someone does not eat healthy or exercise at all, they deserve to be treated well. We aren’t here to earn a right to exist by eating whatever it is that is called healthy in a current moment. Which in itself is a helluva muddy thing if you scratch the surface even a little.

Ok so this is just anecdotal, but I’ll give you a real life example of what this “management” can look like.

I was told during pregnancy that if I would not lose weight, I’d leave my child motherless. I reacted to this medical violence by engaging in self hate fueled dieting that I did for two decades.

This was a lifestyle where I spent well over 10 hours per week in vigorous exercise. I broke my spine, knees, got myocarditis. Was always sick with everything. Yet my bodysize remained obe,*e, like it has since I was a small child.

I counted every calorie. On a scale. I kept a food diary, I was always in an outrageous deficit. At the end I had to fully fast every other day to maintain my still fat weight. I am not talking just a bit fat, but bmi properly in the high end.

I made it into a profession. Coaching was the only way to sustain the ridiculous amounts of exercise I needed to stay thinner. My entire life revolved around it. I definitely did not read leftist books or engage in education for myself, I was just maintaining that weight.

I am an autist who will follow the rules I make for myself all the way to the bitter end. When I say I counted calories it means I wrote down everything. I still have those diaries, they are the story of starvation by choice.

And none of this was considered an ED. I was celebrated for it. For trying to force my body into the norm.

Then someone said to me that you don’t have to live like this so I was finally given room to stop. I stopped looking at thin pictures of other women, I started looking at diverse bodies. My mental health and self-esteem got so much better as my body went back to the size it clearly likes to be. My hands and feet that were always cold are now warm.

I studied a whole new profession after this, I am so much freer now. I realized a lot of my internal fat stigma was gender norm related. I embrace my masculine body now.

It isn’t cico. Bodies are more complex than that.

I’m not sure what to say, but for one this isn’t currently a very fruitful discussion because the comments that are made are exactly the same tired ones that are always made everywhere and have been adressed a million times over. Sadly this is what these discussions always tend to turn into.

The issue I suppose is that the othering of fat bodies is seen as a valid opinion and it is so deeply ingrained in our culture that this discussion always ends up going in circles around itself. There is very little empathy towards fat people and concern trolling is the norm. The way people refuse to engage in investigating this in themselves is hard to combat. The way fat people are dismissed is visible even in this thread imo.

If people can’t see how relevant the issue of body size is to the issues of gender, norms, capitalist control, I don’t know what good it does to read the endless debatelord comments about deficits, habits or whatever people think it is about. It also puts us fat people in positions where we have to justify ourselves existing in our bodies over and over and I hate how even I justified my fatness as the good kind by stating how much I exercise.

The thing is that every human has the same value, this includes fat people who do nothing at all to fit into norms. It is a norm at the end of the day. The discussion around this should be a lot deeper then what someone does or doesn’t eat. This goes so much deeper into everything and would require the kind of educational discussion where people are ready to listen and take on board the experiences of those who are harmed. First people would need to see that harm is being done and without solidarity this is very hard.

I am sorry I don’t have any good answers, but the thread is nonetheless currently very painfull.

Here is a resource I encourage everyone in this discussion to at least look at: https://annas-archive.org/md5/a4b4291df746b2ff8f2130bef5516e9e

Same. It is giving me such anxiety. Like, jesus christ it’s so bad. I have sometimes tried to muster the energy to effort post about this on hexbear, but it is in full display now why I never dared do it.

People need to do better. This fucking sucks.

For what it’s worth, at the end of my few decade long “weight maintenance” the only way to maintain my then weight was opting to fast every other day entirely. Healthy? If you asked the experts, I was still too fat.

Eating is not an addiction. Eating is not the issue. Behavior is not the issue. The issue is the construct that there is some one size a body should be that everyone fits in. This is no different than other strickt categories we are being put in. The “normal” that keeps being brought up is a statistical curve that was made by an eugenist, using fit male bodies as the baseline. It is inherently a racist construct as well.

The way body size has been weaponized in pathriarchal culture and the way the medical and Western scientists took part in constructing the ideal is the issue. The way most people need to spend their lives on a diet to try and meet this ideal is the issue. The way these diets harm peoples health is the issue. The way this is used to control especially womens bodies is the issue.

Assuming it’s all behavioral is one of the issues. Using the term “relapse” on this is so telling.

“Relapsing to a lifestyle”. What does this mean? What is assumed here?

Thank you for posting this. For a leftist platform the neoliberal individual responsibility stuff that comes up when weight is discussed here is disgusting.

I know there has been discussions here on why not many women are comfortable here and this imo is one of the reasons. This is really not a safe space for people with EDs, body size trauma and medical trauma. I’ve seen medical experts valorized and people with said trauma belittled.

There is a reason I block the self-improvement and fitness coms. But it seaps out from those like the thread yesterday. Such reddity strong self-hating or just fat hating people who need to read Fearing the Black Body or any feminist writings on how policing body size is tied to pathriarchy, capitalism, protestantism, eugenism and how this neoliberal self-governance stuff they do is not the Maoist taking care of the body and mind they think it is, but upholds a system of othering. The way all this impacts people in marginalized bodies is a big deal.