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  • Israel has put great effort into tying judaism with zionism. The people that went to school in Israel (but also some jewish people abroad through jewish educational programs sponsored by Israel) learn that any attack on Israel is an attack on jews akin to the holocaust, and that all Palestinians want to kill all jews. Israel as an apartheid state has also been very attractive to racist people who do not care and even welcome a genocide of the people they consider to be ‘lesser’. Israel used that to advertise to such alt right people so that they can continue to violently colonise more Palestinian land. The people that do not condone apartheid and genocide were more likely to leave in the last decades (if they were able to) leaving those still there as a minority.

    Netanyahu’s popularity rose with the invasion and large scale bombings of civilian targets in Libanon. That should tell you enough about what most Israeli’s think of the genocide.












  • I’m expecting people here to be anti genocide and showing the contradiction in calling actual protesters fascist.

    But clearly not everyone is anti genocide since there are still quite a lot of people who believe that Israel has the right to steal Palestinian land and kill Palestinian civilians indiscriminately (Harris & Trump do, most politicians in most European countries do as well)



  • I’m saying that to argue that the election is not as important as people here seem to imply, because the big scary thing that will happen with Trump will happen anyways but it will be a democrat and a few years later. You (and other commenters) seem to think that electorialism is the only way to prevent ‘facism’, but I argue that you are already under a fascist government that is funding a genocide and forcing you to keep voting for them ‘or else’. I’ve repeated this same thing a lot in these threads but I’ll do it again: historically the only way to really change the course and to protect the human rights that are at stake/lacking currently is through strikes and civil unrest.



  • I don’t think you’ve read what I wrote and if you did you did so with a large portion of prejudices. I’m also not the person ‘moralising’ here lol, I’m here in this thread arguing because I find it disturbing that the op frames anti genocide protesters as ‘fascists’. I’d argue that calling people fascist for having a different opinion on the workings of the US electoral systems and the power of protestation is actually more moralistic. I’m giving my point of view because people here (like you) seem to think that they can speak for minority groups that they don’t actually know that well.


  • The dems don’t shy away from making strikes or protests illegal (look at the way students are getting beat up by the police today). Protesting has always been a risk and it will be a bigger risk during a trump presidency. However the people outnumber the police massively and killing the whole population is economically just not feasible for the ruling class. What I’m saying is that the equation is not as simple as just saying that you should vote for the ‘lesser evil’, because the lesser evil will grow more evil if they don’t face any repercussions. I’m also saying that the people who are actively partaking in protests are doing a lot more for a better world than someone who just votes once every few years. And calling the current anti genocide protesters fascists is a huge insult to any civil rights movements that have successfully taken place in the past.



  • I actually care a lot about those topics and am actively putting in work into my local lgbtq and Palestine protest communities, improving the lives of lgtbq people (like me) and making sure that the Palestinian cause is not forgotten. Through this work I talk with other leftists who care as much about these same topics as me. This puts me in a position where I know what motivates these people and gives me the generational knowledge of historically effective methods of fights for human rights.

    I do not shame people into voting for or against anyone. If I did, and shamed everyone who wouldn’t vote for a liberal party like the US democrats, my community would not exist because I would alienate a lot of people who actually cares about these issues.

    You are not helping anyone by calling genuine leftists fascists. You are actually closing a lot of bridges by picking fights with anyone who has a different method of fighting and advocating for human rights issues. I am 95% sure that you have not actually researched how to actually use US electorialism to your advantage, and are just repeating the same talking point that we have all heard a hundred times.

    You are trying really hard to ignore the facts that lay before you:

    • you will not prevent a trump presidency by convincing people to vote blue no matter who because many US citizens will not be convinced to vote for the democratic party if they do not stop funding genocide
    • democratic politicians have shown year in year out that they care more about hoarding money from big donators than about winning votes by advertising popular leftist policies, and are showing this election that they care more about continuing genocide than ensuring the prevention of a Trump presidency
    • the democratic party has over the past decade consistently moved to the right, and they keep implementing policies that a few years ago they would have used to scare people from the other candidate (i.e. the current horrific border policy that Harris supports as well).
    • the only historically proven way to stop these right extremist policies is by threatening with, and actually going through if demands are not met, extreme monetary losses for the ruling class through a general strike or civil unrest.

  • Yeah great way to ignore the fact that the way you vote impacts the political climate on the long term and if you vote for athletes foot today, tomorrow you will be forced to vote for terminal cancer because the alternative genocide. Except the ‘good option’ is already genocide today. Do you even know what you’re saying? Do you care so little about other people that instead of resisting genocide and fascism that you shame others into voting for it?