Yeah the FOIA backlog is absurd. Ken Klippenstein was just complaining about it recently.

Fucking thank you!!! As a sex worker, I know my hooker alias is linked to my government name in a federal law enforcement database and that governments use facial recognition technology to detain sex workers at international borders. We have anecdotal evidence of this happening for at least the past 6 years. If you’re a leftist who has done any fedposting at all without using op sec that borders on clinical paranoia, you should assume you’re on a list. Knowing you’re on a list doesn’t mean you should throw all caution to the wind, but people should know that you are never really anonymous online and behave accordingly.

The feds will show up at your house with printouts of your social media fedposts.

Do people think the FOIA request is gonna like, tip the feds off that this website exists? Because I promise this will not be new information to them. They have always kept close tabs on the left. This site is public and accessible to everyone. I would hope people are not posting here thinking it’s under the radar or something…?

No because thin people love to cherry pick concerns about public health and surprise, their number one concern is almost always related to fatness.

For what it’s worth, I’m the user who made the fatphobia call-out post and my goal/intention was never to purge users from the site for being fatphobic. My goal was to create some guardrails around these discussions so that a fat person can post “Wow, going to the doctor as a fat person sucks” without getting a bunch of unsolicited diet advice and concern trolling in the replies.

If we kicked off every user who has some fatphobic beliefs, there wouldn’t be many users left. Which is kind of my point. It’s not an issue of individual users being assholes and therefore needing to be purged; it’s an issue of unexamined and unchallenged beliefs about fatness. Those beliefs dominate the larger culture and the left is not an exception to this.

What I’d like to see is a rule against giving unsolicited diet and exercise advice here (if people want advice and ask for it, of course that’s fine. I don’t want or need to see it but I can keep scrolling.)

And I’d like to see a rule about content warnings applied to fatphobic topics and topics/replies that may trigger people with ED. This site generally has a culture of “when in doubt, be courteous and use CW and spoiler tags,” so it’s honestly pretty upsetting that people have no interest in simply expanding the existing guidelines to include fatphobia and ED triggers.

I didn’t see any replies that I feel warrant a ban; I would like to see fatphobic comments removed when they go too far and challenged/refuted when they don’t. And as with everything, the line between what should be removed and what should remain with a rebuttal is up to mod discretion. I don’t expect everyone to get it right every time or do things perfectly.

Dude what the fuck is wrong with you?

The reason I suggested the “Maintenance Phase” podcast is that they dive into a lot of the scientific “evidence” about how being fat is bad for you and suggest that anti-fat bias in medicine is actually the cause of poor health outcomes for fat people. And I do want to help people understand but it’s honestly exhausting to have the same conversations over and over.

Yes, in short, plenty of us do believe that CICO is inherently flawed and grossly oversimplified.

I’m sorry if it feels defeatist, but I do think knowing the data is important. And again, I’d really recommend the “Maintenance Phase” podcast

Thank you very much for this. This thread is indeed painful and I regret posting it already.

I explicitly asked that people not make this type of comment in the thread but thank you for proving my point.

I’d like fatphobic comments to be treated like transphobic and racist comments. I’d like the community to start using spoiler tags in all posts and replies about dieting, weight loss, calories, fitness “journeys,” etc.

Idk which comments should be removed vs left up, but I don’t think any comment with any level of fatphobia should be left up without some kind of refutation.

I’d like to see a compilation of resources and suggested reading for people here to learn some very basic fat politics.

Ok it says 80% of the weight lost was gained back in 5 years and it’s a meta-analysis of 29 different studies so that’s a huge dataset. There’s also some anti-fat bias in the study, but regardless, the implication here is that all the people in all the studies fucked up because they couldn’t stick to a diet and exercise plan longterm. As a leftist, that explanation comes up short for me.

But frankly, this is what I didn’t want to do in this thread.

“We’re not doing calorie denialism here.”

This is the problem. You think my body burns calories at the same rate as your body? You think the human body is a simple machine where you input 500 calories into my body and your body and our bodies process, store and burn them the same way? It’s far more complex than “CICO” and I’m fucking sick to death of thin people preaching about the SiMpLe sCiEnCE. I’m not doing it. Don’t bother responding, I do not have it in me to do the back-and-forth.

The OP specifically asked thin people to STFU, listen, do some self-crit, and do some fucking reading. It’s not an invitation to debate weight loss shit with me. Read the responses from fat people in this thread and fucking do better. It’s exhausting.

https://prismreports.org/2024/11/25/anti-fatness-as-anti-blackness-violence-at-home-violence-abroad/

https://csw.ucla.edu/2020/11/23/fearing-the-black-body-the-racial-origins-of-fat-phobia-by-sabrina-strings-nyu-press-2019/

Hi please put all of these calorie deficit suggestions and frankly all calorie talk behind a spoiler tag as it can be triggering to those with ED.

Edited to add: Please give an actual, helpful, informative spoiler tag that includes a content warning about ED triggers.

I understand your intention isn’t to harm anyone, but just like with unintentional racism or unintentional transphobia, it’s harmful regardless. Fat people are not ignorant about the concept of “CICO.” Fat people have been on diets. Fat people have heard about the dangers of obesity from their doctors and probably from everyone else in their lives too.

This exactly. Once they’ve lost weight, formerly fat people are expected to engage in disordered eating forever to remain thin. Expected, encouraged, and celebrated if and only if they keep the weight off. “Health” isn’t really a factor in the conversation because people have “thin=healthy” so deeply-ingrained.

The 12 step program also does not work. Literally every intervention for substance use has an abysmal long-term success rate.

It’s about diet and exercise not keeping the weight off long-term. People lose weight from diet and exercise all the time, the vast majority just don’t keep it off.

This site has triggered the fuck out of my eating disorder and people do not put trigger warnings on their shitty diet advice. 🙃