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  • I feel like it’s not that bad to be uniform in some ways though. There’s lots of different email sites, but the way they’re organized/labelled is very similar.

    I feel like if you want that kind of beautiful system where everything’s decentralized yet still able to talk to each other, then it’s better if some things are standard.

    Even the general strategy kbin,lemmy, mastodon use have similarities to be able to talk to each other. They’re all on the fediverse.observer where we can see all their stats in one place. There was uniformity in a good balance. All three of these use activity pub, which I hear is a good thing. If not, I think there would be less synchronization? And then people might say, hey, we should let everyone develop the way they like, and it’s true, but there’s a good benefit in making some stuff the same


  • I agreee. With email, there’s different email websites I can use, but it would put me off if I made a gmail account, and everything was labelled differently there compared to thte other email websites.

    Like if inbox was called something really strange, I just think it would put me off a lot. I use kbin, and even I think it would help if these were renamed. Kbin is new too! Only a month old, so I don’t even know if the developers felt strongly about calling it a magazine or just needed to label all of these in a way that made sense to them.

    But yeah I try to be inclusive and use “communities/magazines” but it feels kind of ridiculous because it’s so long. I don’t even like “communities” because it is so long to type…I like “forums” for both. It makes sense because they are forums, and it’s short. I don’t mind “communities” though, and it would be so great if kbin wants to consider relabelling, but they technically also don’t have to and I still will use it.

    But I still think it’s the smart thing to do to make it easier for others to use. Should try to decrease friction so people can use their tool to do other things, rather than spend so much time figuring out how to use the tool.


  • If this stuff hadn’t happened, I wouldn’t even known how theyve been treating the mods badly since forever xD I definitely would have kept using the app, I was starting to do a lot of doomscrolling on there. I just didn’t know there was anything wrong with the company.

    However, them messing up like this opened me to the idea of a social media that isn’t for profit. Even if this stuff hadn’t happened, it would happen later. It happens to all the social medias, and it happened to twitter. Because of this event this time, I learned the term “enshittification”, and I think it’s eventually not possible for the social media companies to continue to be profitable without hurting the user experience more and more.

    It’s great to me that this stuff with reddit happened because more is gonna happen anyway. If they get to ipo, they’ll probably give more ads, they’ll probably try to push it even more as a tik tok/youtube shorts experience, which I still think those platforms overtake reddit on this field anyway.

    I never thought a social media that isn’t for profit was possible and it’s exciting to me that it might be the direction we go in. I’m excited for both fediverse stuff and also the wikipedia non profit app “trust cafe” wt___something.


  • Currently it’s more work probably than it should be to do this, so for newer people, it’s recommended they stay on large instances like lemmy.world or kbin.social to have the communities searchable.

    If you’re on a newer server, you can add the community you want.

    Click Search (the site, not search for the community)
    enter the whole url of the community you wanted - eg. https://kbin.social/m/Frenchies
    Click enter and wait for a bit until it’s able to find the community and you can hit subscribe button.

    It’s easy to do, but nothing on the UI helps you find the communities without extra knowledge, so if you’re newer, it’s a better experience to stay on the larger servers







  • Thanks for your answer. It’s making sense to me. I do think this kind of thing might encourage more users to congregate on the large instances, but who knows, maybe it wouldn’t be that bad if we continue making a new large instance if one fills up. Like how we have lemmy.ml, and now filling lemmy.world, and lemmy.world has a good experience.

    I also am not entirely sure too how exactly the posts get populated, because I’m visiting some communities I added on that smaller server only a day ago, but it does show some posts from 7- 9 days ago (they don’t have any new comments or anything), so yeah maybe I also don’t completely understand how it works still


  • I don’t know, I’m thinking they are probably about the same. Even though I’m trying both lemmy and kbin, I’m on a large kbin server and on a small lemmy server. I think that can make a bigger difference for the ignorant (me) than lemmy vs kbin. It can get kind of complicated to do some basic tasks, and I think it’s good if these aggregators can make it easier to do.

    For Kbin, I am liking the way they organize my feed, but I think you can customize your filter/sort on lemmy to do the same. Plus they have the android mobile app Jerboa, so I’m sure the experience for the feed can be good (don’t have to keep resetting the filter the way I’m doing on browser [since I dont have an android phone])

    Definitely feel free to make these accounts though :) It’s been cool, like a big experiment to make these two accounts. I have one on lemmy.studio and kbin.social


  • that’s fair, since the instance owners are hosting for us. The only thing is, I feel like the users might not know about this. I didn’t really think about it until a little later that oh yeah, there is no [search for something “fediverse”] google search, and we’re encouraged to join new instances and for the most part think of them as just servers to build the fediverse. I know I shouldn’t try to box the fediverse ideas like reddit, but I am finding it frustrating that the decentralization is having these cons.


  • Yeah I’m honestly seeing this as a big turn off for users to join smaller instances, which is a goal many fediverse people want.
    It really sucks that I made an account on a smaller instance for lemmy, and there were some technical difficulties/learning curve on my end to add a community (which I won’t run into if I stay on a large instance), but then even after I did add the community, there are no posts. I made a lemmy account since it allows you to save posts, which kbin atm can’t do. However, when I’m able to add the community on the lemmy account, there’s none of the previous posts, so I can’t save it.



  • I think the instances themselves don’t feel much different (for example the UI for lemmy.world and lemmy.studio is like exactly the same), but I feel like maybe there needs to be some quality of life tools to help a new instance succeed with more ease.

    • Like it’s hard to know that the instance exists, so it’d be nice if the UI makes signing up for one as easy as possible,
    • One big con at the moment too is it’s actually kind of hard for me to find communities in a small instance. The large instances somehow people already added like all of them, so I can search for pretty much all of them. I think to encourage joining new instances, ideally should give the creator an easy way to like just add every single community across different aggregators. Maybe even a bot that just automatically does this so it doesn’t have to be updated, or at least give the creator of that instance that option if they so choose
    • Give easy way to migrate account. For example today I just learned about a website with a list of the kbin servers, and thought maybe I should move from kbin.social to put less strain on it. However, I made my kbin.social account with my gmail, and I prefer to be lazy and just log in through gmail. I can’t make a new account on say kbin.chat with that same gmail account actually, so I’d have to use another email account, and I didn’t want to do that. Also in my 2 days on kbin, I made a community, and if I just abandon my kbin.social account, I don’t know who would be the “mod” of that community now. There’s already some data I’d like to not have to start over on