• Cowbee@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Bit of a false assumption, isn’t that? There is no ethical consumption under Capitalism, so trying to advocate for better while participating in an unjust system is a requirement for many people.

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      1 year ago

      There’s no ethical way to run a nation. Lincoln was barely able to free the slaves and FDR couldn’t end segregation. Hilary listening to Kissenger doesn’t mean she supports everything he ever did.

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        1 year ago

        Listening to him, okay.

        Repeatedly, publicly, referring to him as a dear friend and invaluable mentor is another thing entirely.

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          It’s called ‘politics.’

          People in politics say nice things about people they hate all the time.

          Ronald Reagan hated Jimmy Carter with a passion. Here’s Reagan speaking about Carter at the opening of Carter’s Presidential Library.

          https://youtu.be/GWTEUOjk2vs

          Politics is the art of making deals with those you abhor. If they have to blather on and on about good fellowship that’s just the oil that keeps the machine operating.

          Demanding that every politician agree 100% is how the GOP managed to shut down the goverment so many times.

          I always remember NYC Mayor Ed Koch’s joke. “If you agree with me 51% of the time, vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, seek therapy.”

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            Taken entirely generally, your points are uncontroversial and common knowledge. But if you’re suggesting Hillary Clinton does not genuinely admire and feel personal friendship for Henry Kissinger, I believe you are mistaken.

            I also did not say, nor did I intend to imply, that she “supports everything he ever did”. In replying to your earlier comment which contained that phrase, I was by no means intending to claim that HRC was a completely uncritical supporter of literally every action of HK.

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              You know, it’s possible to be friends with people who are bad without being bad yourself.

              Back in the day, the most successful Socialist politician in US history was Fiorella LaGuardia. He ran for New York City mayor on a Fusion ticket, getting support from a wide range of parties, including the GOP. f he’d had a purity test for everyone, he’d have never gotten elected.

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        There’s no ethical way to run a nation. Lincoln was barely able to free the slaves and FDR couldn’t end segregation.

        A hard, bitter truth

        Hilary listening to Kissenger doesn’t mean she supports everything he ever did.

        Absolute bullshit.

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        1 year ago

        that is one of the dumbest thing I have read today, and I looked at Reddit’s hot page today,

        are you REALLY going to equivocate anything the US did to the fucking Holocust? fuck, even what they did to the Native Americans can’t hold a candle to that shit, most natives died to disease, almost all Jews/Sinti/Roma/Disabled/Openly Left-wing/Gay/trans died to systematic industrialized execution on a scale that can sparsely be comprehended.

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          I think you replied to the wrong person. All I said was that I don’t think Hilary Clinton personally approved of Kissinger’s bombing South East Asia.