It costs less in taxes to take a child out of poverty than to put them in prison as an adult.
Additionally, taking children out of poverty improves the tax contributions they and their own children will make more than it costs.
In other words, your taxes aren’t going to just them but is an investment in us all.
And you’re making the same argument people without kids sometimes make about education, why should I pay for public schools, I don’t have kids, I don’t benefit. But you do, everytime a cashier counts change, everytime you don’t get robbed because a kid had an opportunity to come out of poverty, everytime you have an intelligent conversation with a neighbor.
We live in a society. If you don’t want to be part of our society, feel free to move someplace without taxes.
Have you considered that many of the public services you rely on every day (roads, safety in food and drugs, public works, fire departments and police, etc) are partly funded with MY money, given to you, a stranger?
I’M happy to contribute to YOUR health, safety, stability, and enjoyment, because I want all of us to have a better future, even if you don’t.
It’s not your money, it’s your tax contribution which is the government’s money and decision how to spend.
I’m a pacifist based on religious beliefs and can’t be drafted. My tax contribution still goes to wars. Because the money goes into a pool and spent where our officials decide it best serves everybody (ideally).
The idea that it’s your money is as bullshit as the idea that we all benefit from letting children starve because a high school kid made a mistake and didn’t wear a condom.
It’s not your money. It’s the tax man’s. If you don’t want to pay taxes, move someplace without them.
And this is why I left lolitarian after about a month. Once you start looking at the numbers of how much crime costs vs how little after school programs cost it is a no brainier. If someone gets convicted of a felony from the pure cold government accounting they are a net loss. There is almost zero chance that the government will make back what was spent on them.
It just is so much easier to be proactive vs reactive. We know the statistics, we know that a dollar spent on such and such program removes multiple times future costs.
But there are studies and data on this is abundant.
And you couldn’t find one?
It’s easy to extrapolate just from the headlines
Clickbait articles are everywhere. NEVER trust the headlines.
I’m still not doubting what you say is true – I just want to know what studies prove it, simply because I do not possess the requisite knowledge to assume “truthiness” of said articles if I were to even find them. My area of expertise is very far from anything related to human services.
Here’s a NAACP report. Prison is expensive because all of that security is expensive. Add onto that medical care, especially older inmates with long bids cost a lot. It’s cheaper to invest in education. High school drop outs, black or white, are more likely to be incarcerated. Reducing high school drop out rates is something doable and it would save money.
Also, investing in education improves GDP. People in higher income brackets also pay more taxes. The GDP increase for the US if we ensured every child access to education is 16% per year for the next 80 years.
Here’s that study. That’s the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. OCED.
It costs less in taxes to take a child out of poverty than to put them in prison as an adult.
Additionally, taking children out of poverty improves the tax contributions they and their own children will make more than it costs.
In other words, your taxes aren’t going to just them but is an investment in us all.
And you’re making the same argument people without kids sometimes make about education, why should I pay for public schools, I don’t have kids, I don’t benefit. But you do, everytime a cashier counts change, everytime you don’t get robbed because a kid had an opportunity to come out of poverty, everytime you have an intelligent conversation with a neighbor.
We live in a society. If you don’t want to be part of our society, feel free to move someplace without taxes.
The person wants to punish others. It’s not actually about the cost.
Today I learned that not giving strangers MY money is, quite literally, punishing them
TIL that voting for people who also want to punish others is the best way to punish others.
Nice strawman u dont know what he votes now answer him
Have you considered that many of the public services you rely on every day (roads, safety in food and drugs, public works, fire departments and police, etc) are partly funded with MY money, given to you, a stranger?
I’M happy to contribute to YOUR health, safety, stability, and enjoyment, because I want all of us to have a better future, even if you don’t.
It’s not your money, it’s your tax contribution which is the government’s money and decision how to spend.
I’m a pacifist based on religious beliefs and can’t be drafted. My tax contribution still goes to wars. Because the money goes into a pool and spent where our officials decide it best serves everybody (ideally).
The idea that it’s your money is as bullshit as the idea that we all benefit from letting children starve because a high school kid made a mistake and didn’t wear a condom.
It’s not your money. It’s the tax man’s. If you don’t want to pay taxes, move someplace without them.
And this is why I left lolitarian after about a month. Once you start looking at the numbers of how much crime costs vs how little after school programs cost it is a no brainier. If someone gets convicted of a felony from the pure cold government accounting they are a net loss. There is almost zero chance that the government will make back what was spent on them.
It just is so much easier to be proactive vs reactive. We know the statistics, we know that a dollar spent on such and such program removes multiple times future costs.
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Source on the costs? (I’m not doubting what you say is true, I would just like to know where you get your data).
Search Incarceration vs. Education.
It’s easy to extrapolate just from the headlines but I’m sure if you dig into the articles you’ll find the data you are asking for.
My source is lived experience and human services courses. So I don’t have a study to point too.
But there are studies and data on this is abundant.
One ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and all of that.
And you couldn’t find one?
Clickbait articles are everywhere. NEVER trust the headlines.
I’m still not doubting what you say is true – I just want to know what studies prove it, simply because I do not possess the requisite knowledge to assume “truthiness” of said articles if I were to even find them. My area of expertise is very far from anything related to human services.
Here’s a NAACP report. Prison is expensive because all of that security is expensive. Add onto that medical care, especially older inmates with long bids cost a lot. It’s cheaper to invest in education. High school drop outs, black or white, are more likely to be incarcerated. Reducing high school drop out rates is something doable and it would save money.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/naacp/misplaced_priorities.pdf
Also, investing in education improves GDP. People in higher income brackets also pay more taxes. The GDP increase for the US if we ensured every child access to education is 16% per year for the next 80 years.
Here’s that study. That’s the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. OCED.
https://www.oecd.org/education/universal-basic-skills-9789264234833-en.htm
I can find something for you. Just was busy when I replied earlier and finding good studies to share that aren’t behind a paywall takes time.
Let me burn one and do a few other things. Then I’ll see if I can dig something up for you.