The government said Canadians who joined ISIS would face the ‘full force’ of the law, but not a single woman who lived under ISIS has yet been convicted.

  • fixerdude2@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    35
    arrow-down
    30
    ·
    1 year ago

    Why is the federal government even allowing them to return to Canada?? Our liberal government and justice system is broken.

    • kent_eh@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      69
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      If they are still legally citizens, the country cannot refuse them entry to the country.

      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        27
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Sure, but aiding and abetting an organization that is legally recognized and sanctioned by Canada and pretty much all other developed countries as terrorist group has to run afoul of some law.

        Like, what the fuck are these people saying to the customs reentry officers when they ask what they were doing in Afghanistan or Syria or whatever for the last several years? “Just some stuff, don’t worry about it”?

        Edit: clarification: I am aware that it is considered a violation of human rights to render a person stateless. I am expressing surprise that the former terrorists returning to Canada weren’t immediately arrested on terrorism charges upon entry.

        • hddsx@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          40
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          It doesn’t matter if they murdered half the world. Canada cannot deny them entry. Now, they can allow entry and take them straight to jail. But that is still allowing entry into their country of citizenship

            • nyan@lemmy.cafe
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Our jails are crowded and some of them are falling apart. Put them in jail after trial by all means, if their sentences so dictate. Putting them in jail before trial is only a good idea if they’re flight risks or a danger to others (which some of these women might be, I admit, but you need at least a figleaf of justification beyond “ISIS bad”). If they’re in jail, the money to feed, clothe, and house them comes out of our tax dollars, which may be better spent elsewhere.

              (That’s in addition to the fact that some of them could still be found not guilty, in which case you’ve just held innocent people in jail.)

              • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                …these people spent anywhere from a few years to a decade aiding, abetting, and enabling terrorist extremist groups. I would absolutely consider them a flight risk and a potential danger to others, under the circumstances.

                Don’t get me wrong - the US justice system is idiotic in a myriad of ways, but if a US citizen tried to return to the country after years of gallivanting around with ISIS or Boko Haram or whatever other extremist group you’d care to name (pointedly: any extremist group, not just specifically Islamic-identifying ones), I would fully expect the US customs agent to call in the federal marshalls the second it became apparent that they’d probably been off doing sketchy shit with terrorists. And I say that because I would further expect the FBI to have clued in on the fact that they’d been doing that, and would probably have a case file on them, and perhaps charges pending, and likely even a warrant out for their arrest.

        • jerkface@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I don’t see how you think not letting them return to the country is a responsible solution to any problem.

          • clif@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            1 year ago

            Making it someone else’s problem is always a possible solution to your problem.

            Semi /s, I think?

    • MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      34
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      As Canadian citizens they have a Section 6 right to return to Canada. You know, the same Section 6 right that the fucking tantrumists thought was being taken away because no country would take them during the pandemic because they weren’t vaccinated

    • Touching_Grass@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      1 year ago

      Its a much worse situation when a government can strip you of citizenship. Not about to give that up for a couple shit birds

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      Calm yourself. It’s not easy to deny someone entry to their birthplace, nor to remove citizenship when they have nothing else.

      Stop watching Pierre and his endless drama and you’ll be fine.

      Go learn.

    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      International reputation and wanting to be able to deport immigrants that commit crimes here

            • yeather@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              Likewise, maybe you should remove one and go back to Reddit. Make Lemmy better for the rest of us.

              • MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                “I know you are but what am I?”

                You are everything we’ve come to expect from the very best that the SinoRussian anti-Canada simp brigade has to offer.

                • yeather@lemmy.ca
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Lmao, not anti Canadian. I would love for Canada to be strong and thrive. Under the current government Canada has become a sickly Victorian child. High cost of living and the stripping of the rights of citizens has turned the current government corrupt and drunk with power. The only way to become strong again is to unrestrict citizens and spend less across the board.

                  • MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Under the current government Canada has become a sickly Victorian child.

                    You are clearly delusional. Canada is one of the best countries in the world to live in. You are definitely anti-Canadian if you’re spreading this utter nonsense.

                  • MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    stripping of the rights of citizens

                    What rights, exactly, quoting chapter and verse of the Charter along with any relevant judicial findings do you think have been stripped from Canadians?

                    I’ve heard people claim that their Section 6 rights to travel across interprovincial boundaries unimpeded and to leave and reenter Canada was taken away after they drove across multiple interprovincial unimpeded because their Section 2 rights to freedom of assembly and protest had been taken away by freely associating and protesting in Ottawa that they couldn’t leave Canada because no one would take them because they had exercised their Section 8 right not to be vaccinated. So obviously it wasn’t Section 2, Section 6, or Section 8 so I’m interested to hear which rights you’re convinced beyond question were taken away under this government.

                    EDIT: Downvotes are fucking useless on Lemmy. There is no Karma. No one fucking cares. So…give me all your pathetic, impotent downvotes. They don’t change the fact that this is the truth.