The US also officially recognises Taiwan as part of China, too, right? So if the US bombs Taiwan, that’s essentially declaring war on China. It’ll be gearing to get China to do the bombing but China won’t fall for it. All it has to do is wait it out. Meanwhile, the US is fighting itself, the planet, and most of the world for its own survival. Edward Gibbons’ History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire will be turned into a movie to be played around Hallowe’en in the US within the next few years.
They recognize that there can only be one united China yes, so if they attacked Taiwan it would be considered an attack on the PRC. They’re so slimy they would probably refuse the one china principle and declare the ROC something weird like “Non-administered territory” or something, like Bush did for “enemy combatant” which has become accepted in common discourse 20 years later it’s crazy.
But likewise the PRC considers Taiwan to be theirs and would defend it. They also consider the people living in Taiwan to be their citizens, so I assume they would organize evacuations of the island in case of war. They probably have plans drawn up already to make it efficient. As for the ROC army… they would disband in 48 hours tops lol.
It’s not really WW2, you can just have planes, subs, or ships launch missiles from 100km out. You can’t intercept them all, or many of them for that matter.
There are systems to intercept missiles in flight, the US has the Patriot for example. Taiwan also conveniently sits around 100 miles (160km) of the mainland, not far at all to be deploying ships, planes and other defense systems from the shore.
China has one major advantage too, hypersonic* missiles.
Everything you said is true, but still missile interception is a risky business, if not just a “pray to god you can shoot it down” event. Plus a high altitude bomber or sub can fire cruise missiles from a 1000 km away before quickly turning tail or slipping deep into the dark pacific, so interception would be difficult there are well.
Plus American interceptors out of Guam, Japan, Okinawa, Korea, or even Taiwan itself would complicate things significantly.
But you are right that Taiwan would be generally easier to defend.
However I doubt that the US has lagged behind in supersonic missile development, because if one thing, they absolutely love their weapons of war.
A war would be a shit show and Taiwan would probably be devastated either way. Either by a Chinese assault, or an American retaliation or counter assault.
It’s also concerning to think that it might just become a stalemate. The Chinese Navy would probably turn the US Navy to scrap, but at the same time how would a Chinese amphibious force fare against a city/mountainous terrain target that’s bristling every 3 meters with artillery, SAMS, tanks, anti ship launchers, AA, and Taiwanese/American soldiers?
not wanting to be an armchair general, since i don’t understand much about military things.
i make a guess that china has logistical advantage, continuous delivering ammo and weapons, they have a insanely strong industrial capability, and in a time of war that can be converted to, high speed trains make sure the equipment arrives safe and fast, while usa produced equipment would need to be delivered mostly by the pacific ocean since they don’t have a reliable way to deliver to a landmass close to taiwan and just finish the deliver by water, and chinas navy is very active in the pacific which can make such deliveries hard, i think for something to be delivered safe and quick, would be by diverting equipment from south korea or japan
China has th benefit of not needing to win, they only need to create the conditions for the USA to collapse. If they scrap the US Navy, it’s not hard at that point to just put things in stalemate and let the West falls apart.
Yes, but then you enter a war of attrition which has its own host of problems. After a while war exhaustion would steadily increase, and the impact of a war on china’s/the US’/the worlds economy would be devastating.
I don’t think it would be chicken. Without a navy, the US can’t maintain supply lines to the Pacific theatre and they would need to open up a Western front and enlist Europe in the war. Japan and Australia would need to take over the Pacific front. This is why multipolarity and Chinese diplomacy are critical to ensuring that the USA doesn’t have a path to victory through these proxies.
True, but I guess that all depends on how many supplies the US has stockpiled in Taiwan, and how self sustainable the island is.
Plus I doubt starving the island into submission would make the Taiwanese people very happy with China, so it’s a giant big mess no matter how you approach it.
Armchair specialists: China and the USA will fight to the death!
Reality: USA will bomb Taiwan back to the stone age before China can retake control of it.
I’m not even sure the US can bomb Taiwan, it’s so close to the shore that the PLA can defend it pretty efficiently I would think.
The US also officially recognises Taiwan as part of China, too, right? So if the US bombs Taiwan, that’s essentially declaring war on China. It’ll be gearing to get China to do the bombing but China won’t fall for it. All it has to do is wait it out. Meanwhile, the US is fighting itself, the planet, and most of the world for its own survival. Edward Gibbons’ History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire will be turned into a movie to be played around Hallowe’en in the US within the next few years.
They recognize that there can only be one united China yes, so if they attacked Taiwan it would be considered an attack on the PRC. They’re so slimy they would probably refuse the one china principle and declare the ROC something weird like “Non-administered territory” or something, like Bush did for “enemy combatant” which has become accepted in common discourse 20 years later it’s crazy.
But likewise the PRC considers Taiwan to be theirs and would defend it. They also consider the people living in Taiwan to be their citizens, so I assume they would organize evacuations of the island in case of war. They probably have plans drawn up already to make it efficient. As for the ROC army… they would disband in 48 hours tops lol.
It’s not really WW2, you can just have planes, subs, or ships launch missiles from 100km out. You can’t intercept them all, or many of them for that matter.
There are systems to intercept missiles in flight, the US has the Patriot for example. Taiwan also conveniently sits around 100 miles (160km) of the mainland, not far at all to be deploying ships, planes and other defense systems from the shore.
China has one major advantage too, hypersonic* missiles.
Everything you said is true, but still missile interception is a risky business, if not just a “pray to god you can shoot it down” event. Plus a high altitude bomber or sub can fire cruise missiles from a 1000 km away before quickly turning tail or slipping deep into the dark pacific, so interception would be difficult there are well.
Plus American interceptors out of Guam, Japan, Okinawa, Korea, or even Taiwan itself would complicate things significantly.
But you are right that Taiwan would be generally easier to defend.
However I doubt that the US has lagged behind in supersonic missile development, because if one thing, they absolutely love their weapons of war.
A war would be a shit show and Taiwan would probably be devastated either way. Either by a Chinese assault, or an American retaliation or counter assault.
It’s also concerning to think that it might just become a stalemate. The Chinese Navy would probably turn the US Navy to scrap, but at the same time how would a Chinese amphibious force fare against a city/mountainous terrain target that’s bristling every 3 meters with artillery, SAMS, tanks, anti ship launchers, AA, and Taiwanese/American soldiers?
not wanting to be an armchair general, since i don’t understand much about military things.
i make a guess that china has logistical advantage, continuous delivering ammo and weapons, they have a insanely strong industrial capability, and in a time of war that can be converted to, high speed trains make sure the equipment arrives safe and fast, while usa produced equipment would need to be delivered mostly by the pacific ocean since they don’t have a reliable way to deliver to a landmass close to taiwan and just finish the deliver by water, and chinas navy is very active in the pacific which can make such deliveries hard, i think for something to be delivered safe and quick, would be by diverting equipment from south korea or japan
China has th benefit of not needing to win, they only need to create the conditions for the USA to collapse. If they scrap the US Navy, it’s not hard at that point to just put things in stalemate and let the West falls apart.
Yes, but then you enter a war of attrition which has its own host of problems. After a while war exhaustion would steadily increase, and the impact of a war on china’s/the US’/the worlds economy would be devastating.
It would be a lethal game of Chicken.
I don’t think it would be chicken. Without a navy, the US can’t maintain supply lines to the Pacific theatre and they would need to open up a Western front and enlist Europe in the war. Japan and Australia would need to take over the Pacific front. This is why multipolarity and Chinese diplomacy are critical to ensuring that the USA doesn’t have a path to victory through these proxies.
True, but I guess that all depends on how many supplies the US has stockpiled in Taiwan, and how self sustainable the island is.
Plus I doubt starving the island into submission would make the Taiwanese people very happy with China, so it’s a giant big mess no matter how you approach it.
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correct!
And blame China and every westerner will believe it.
reality: usa will fight china until the last taiwanese
Yeah, any war would have amerikkka launch cruise missiles at the tsmc plant right at the start.