“I am ready to sit down with President Trump at the appropriate time under a position where there is respect for Canadian sovereignty and we are working for a common approach, a much more comprehensive approach for trade,” Carney said.

This is the way. Leaders need to stop entertaining the orange idiot. He’s the shitty kid that breaks stuff to get attention. Trump needs a time out.

I like Iran’s attitude. They said “Whatever. Do what you’re going to do.” and didn’t bother having more of a conversation.

This is what Canada needs to do.

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    Ain’t gonna happen

    Trump wants Canada for whatever reason it is and he won’t let go. I fully expect him to threaten (and execute) with military actions if Canada doesn’t capitulate

    Maybe a cynical point of view but we’re talking about idiots with access to nukes that won’t give up

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      He’s not getting Canada. He’s gonna have a toddler tantrum and that’s all that will happen.

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      Steve Bannon actually explained the reasons why Trump wants Canada so bad, and it’s actually pretty “rational”. I don’t want the US to take over, but we need to understand just how much they would gain if they annexed us.

      • More access points to the melting Arctic cap and all the untapped resources underneath
      • More liberties to plant military bases across the north of the continent, to secure what is seen as the soft underbelly of North America
      • All the other resources, all of our expertise, all of our hydro-electric potential

      Mind you, this also explains the weird obsession with Greenland. There are military thinkers that want to create a defensive position out of the newly freed strait that will manifest north of Canada, and Greenland/Canada are key positions to do this.

      It’s dangerous to hand wave this as a weird and quirky tantrump, there’s some really greedy fuckers across the border and they want direct dibs on the Arctic.

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        Defence from who? The Russians? They’re already inside the White House hahaha!

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        Oh I know that they have these very rational reasons and wasn’t trying to rationalize it away. I just wanted to point out that cheeto isn’t going to back down because he’s also a crazed fucker who doesn’t give a fuck

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        How much of that stuff would Canada and the US have done together anyway because we’re conjoined twins?

        Other than that weird businessman thing of “it’s not ALL OURS” I don’t see the point. We already do joint military operations with Canada defending the arctic, to include NORAD. If climate change makes the ice cap a more viable land or sea route to attack North America, I’d count on our two nations to work together to counter that. I have to imagine we have submarines in the Arctic anyway.

        We’ve already got as much of the Great White North as we can handle in Alaska to drill/mine/log. I don’t need ownership of Toronto to do that.

        Now as for sea routes, this one I think is interesting. Because in addition to Canada and Greenland, the diaper in chief has mentioned re-acquiring the Panama Canal. The thing there is, the Panama Canal has had to operate at decreased capacity because Lake Gatun can’t take it; the canal is draining too much water from the lake, which the entire nation of Panama needs to live. The “grow at all costs” business sector loves to ignore things like “the canal is going to physically stop working because the lake will be empty, and also it will render the entire nation of Panama unsurvivable due to lack of water” so I’m sure the billionaires pulling Trump’s strings want the canal forced to run at max capacity no matter what, and we can’t do that while the Canal is under Panamanian ownership because the nation of Panama isn’t going to kill itself for some boats full of buttplugs and slogan T shirts.

        So less shipping traffic has been able to pass through the canal. So more traffic bound from the Atlantic to the Pacific or vice versa needs to go around The Horn. Or for just one time, you can take the Northwest Passage, and find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea. A lot of the Northwest Passage lies in Greenland…ish? Greenlandese? Greenlandian? or Canadian territorial waters.

        Or it’s a way for a shithead to be a shithead. We are talking about the same guy who “made” Mexico pay for that wall.

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          I agree on all your points there.

          But you have to understand the mindset of the super-elites that are pulling the strings. Borders are an inconvenience to them and their business. They don’t want to deal with conversion rate, they don’t want to print extra information on labels to respect the law of one specific country, they don’t want to manage a PR campaign with locals. All of that is a drain on resources and a stopgap to their growth and consumption.

          The US government is openly corrupt and captured, at this point, it’s on the verge of being a free-for-all for the super-elite that want their way. If Canada is brought under that corrupt umbrella, they cut a lot of the “inconvenience” for their infinite growth.

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      I fully expect him to threaten (and execute) with military actions if Canada doesn’t capitulate

      Insert article 5 turning the US into a hostile country and the millions of Canadians (who coincidentally look like Americans) with their new-found American citizenship & right to bear arms.

      Going to feel so liberated!

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        Nope, Uno Reverse, we surrender and the US is the UC and your government has to fix all our problems. No takesy-backsies!

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      I’m just hoping the chaos he’s causing internally will take down the USA sooner than he can invade.

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        They will not survive a war with Canada. We won’t beat their military in direct combat but the insurgency right next door which can easily cross into their homeland, hit some of their most populous cities, and hide easily in Canadian wilderness, would end way faster than Afghanistan and Vietnam with the same outcome

        Yes there’ll be suffering on both sides, but it’s suicide. I’d rather he accomplishes that another way but fuck it

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        There will be a civil war in the US if it happens because way more than half of americans don’t want to invade canada

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          There will be a civil war in the US if it happens

          I’d like to think so, but seeing how most of the population of the US is very disconnected from and apathetic about politics, current affairs, or anything outside of their personal bubble, I’m not going to rely on that possibility.

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            They will pay attention when their prices skyrocket. Other then that they are braindead to anything else. I say, let it happen.

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              Maybe, but who will they direct that anger at?

              Will it be at Trump and his cronies, or will they direct it at whoever they are told is “America’s enemies”?

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                Very good point. It depends. The shitty economic situation in the US is directing their anger towards Canada (as the “taking advantage” of the US narrative tracks), it’s doubtful they will direct their ire to the US govt seeing as it has so much support.

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              They will pay attention when their prices skyrocket.

              Maybe, but there’s a good chance that they’ll blame Canada.

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                On one hand, more than 50% of Americans read below a 6th grade level so it wouldn’t be surprising if they misattributed the blame. I doubt many would be able to tell you what a tariff is or how it works.

                But on the other, greater than 50% are not pleased with how Trump has handled the economy thus far and the consequences haven’t even hit their wallets yet.

                Americans are extremely disconnected politically but if there’s one thing they care about its the price of gas. If that goes up substantially then they will blame the president.

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        The problem is Canada needs America to be strong. We are stronger together. So the idea of “taking down America” isn’t smart.

        The entire world benefits from a strong America.

        What it doesn’t benefit from is a wannabe dictator sociopath rapist who doesn’t play by international rules.

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          The entire Western world benefits from a strong America.

          By the time this is done, there very well may not be a concept of a unified Western world any longer.

          We’re on track for this to be China’s century and Trump is accelerating the process. If the US turns its back on Taiwan as it has with Ukraine we will have a new world order.

          China already controls the supply chain for a majority of critical minerals through strategic partnerships with resource rich nations. If the US continues to turn its back on its allies it will be the end of its golden age as the preeminent world superpower.

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          The entire world benefits from a strong America.

          Well, we’re about to test that hypothesis. The world is going to have to go it alone for a little while.

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      He wants our resources and, as the premier of BC said: if the president’s so interested in Canadian water, we’re gonna help him by letting him keep his watery beer.

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        Love your enthusiasm, but a US invasion would overrun and utterly destroy Canada. We’d fuck them for the next ten years and make them regret every life choice they made during that time until they see the wisdom of running, like they’ve done in every invasion since WWII but it will utterly destroy the country

        I don’t want that, I just want to live my nice little life.

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          I would rather live a country destroyed then bend the knee to those fuckers and I think a lot of canadians feel the same