A decision to negotiate over the heads of the Ukrainians would reveal just how Trump sees Ukraine and Europe.
  • Opinionhaver@feddit.ukEnglish
    611·
    4 days ago

    Seems like something that’s atleast worth the shot when the alternative is to continue with the ongoing war while losing more and more territory and soldiers each day. In order to prevent a war from happening again you first need to stop the war that’s already going on.

    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
      102·
      3 days ago

      I feel like it might be a bit better to try to fight on until you have at least some security guarantees, so you know they just don’t attack you right after regrouping than let them disarm you in name of peace and then get fucked right after by their attack.

      Leaving yourself at the mercy of your attacker is the sort of lunacy you’d only have to resort to when you have no other choice.

      • Opinionhaver@feddit.ukEnglish
        38·
        3 days ago

        I don’t see how continuing the fight is going to lead to security guarantees for Ukraine. A peace deal or ceasefire could at least allow individual countries to send peacekeepers independently of NATO. There are ways to deter a future attack outside of full membership. And if a ceasefire ends up being just a chance to regroup, then at least Ukraine gets that chance as well. As we saw during Ukraine’s “counteroffensive,” well-fortified positions are extremely difficult and costly to break through.

        • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
          101·
          3 days ago

          Continuing fighting gives more time to get those security guarantees. A peace is worth nothing without them.

          A peace deal or ceasefire could at least allow individual countries to send peacekeepers independently of NATO

          That’s assuming that’s the sort of peace deal or ceasefire Russia would agree to.

          And if a ceasefire ends up being just a chance to regroup, then at least Ukraine gets that chance as well.

          Not only would that give a better position for Russia who has better means to regroup with Ukraine’s support faltering, for that too, that’s assuming that’s the sort of peace deal or ceasefire Russia would agree to.

          If Russia did say that we should just pause the fighting, I’d imagine Ukraine would go for that. But it’s not likely Russia is going to do that when they have the upper hand.