I run a few groups, like @fediversenews@venera.social, mostly on Friendica. It’s okay, but Friendica resembles Facebook Groups more than Reddit. I also like the moderation options that Lemmy has.

Currently, I’m testing jerboa, which is an Android client for Lemmy. It’s in alpha, has a few hiccups, but it’s coming along nicely.

Personally, I hope the #RedditMigration spurs adoption of more Fediverse server software. And I hope Mastodon users continue to interact with Lemmy and Kbin.

All that said, as a mod of a Reddit community (r/Sizz) I somewhat regret giving Reddit all that content. They have nerve charging so much for API access!

Hopefully, we can build a better version of social media that focuses on protocols, not platforms.

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    In general, it works pretty nice, but there are some limitations.

    The biggest one for me is discoverability. The federation means that there is more fragmentation and it’s harder to find the right community for something.

    For example, there are country/city communities for my country/city on multiple instances. And since it’s hard to find the “correct” one, it fragments out much harder than Reddit did. Combine that with generally lower attendance numbers and you get really tiny communities.

    This is not aided by Jerboa, which doesn’t open internal links internally. So if someone posts a link to a community and I press it, it instead tries to open it with my email app.

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    For wide spread adoption there are a lot of issues with the fediverse. The main one is the home pages of fediverse instances or join-X.org sites immediately turn people away with their language, jargon and content. Nobody cares about the open source licence, or how it’s “federated” or what the developers can do, or that you can run your own server or what languages and frameworks it’s built on etc. These all will turn people away. Literally the first sentence on join-lemmy is “Lemmy is a selfhosted social link aggregation and discussion platform”. Nobody wants to self host anything (well I do, but near to 100% of people don’t). Then there are screen shots of code diff’s and actual code, then a list of programming languages, then some Latin with hard to see ‘mod tools’, and then at the end back to self hosting “With Lemmy, you can easily host your own server, and all these servers are federated”. None of this is enticing people in. It’s turning people away.

    These entrances to the fediverse should be about community, discussions, engagement etc. That’s what people want to sign up for and start participating. Just get them signed up. Once they’re in they can learn about the other benefits and that they can move the profile to different servers, or whathaveyou. Keep all the other bumf hidden away behind a “benefits” link.

    Someone needs to come up with better terminology to fediverse and federated to avoid having to explain it all the time. It’s federated… You know… Like email. Well I’ve used email a long time and nobody has ever called it federated or used that term before when talking about any aspect of email - and I run my own email server.

    Tl:dr: just cut the crap and make on-boarding easier. Dont let developers dictate the content of the homepage.

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    A year ago, I viewed the Fediverse as an unnecessary, complicated framework created by a handful of well-intentioned individuals as a solution to a problem that wasn’t really there.

    Today, I view it as a necessity.

    This past year has been a hard lesson for me to stop placing trust in massive, centralized web services like Twitter and Reddit and to start federating more of my online activity. There’s going to be growing pains, but Lemmy has been pretty good so far and it’s definitely going to be worth it in the end.

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    The idea is outstanding. The parts of the UI that work are great. There’s much work to be done, especially with regard to subscription and discovery. The whole “copy/paste this into your server’s search bar” thing is… not great.

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    The UX is kinda rough around the edges, but it’s filling my scroll addiction while reddit takes a steaming dump on everyone.

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    It’s looking great! I joined just 2 days ago and the communities I subscribed to are already looking much more lively today. Thanks, Reddit blackout!

    Also written in Rust, btw :)

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    I hate when threads automatically update, scrolling content down my browser.

    I hate that when I hit back on my web browser, it doesn’t bring me back to where I was previously on the page. I have to scroll down all over again.

    Lack of content or small communities don’t bother me. It just means more people need to contribute, myself included.

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    For me, 10/10 just as good. It only needs more content.

    I think it’s important to make sure your instance is federated with all the other big ones, though, since adding a new one is not user-friendly.

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    I tried the fediverse with Mastodon to replace Twitter, but it didn’t work out. On Twitter, I was exclusively following accounts of personalities/organizations. As these accounts did not make the switch from Twitter to Mastodon, there was little use.

    I feel like the fediverse works way better with content aggregation. I don’t really care who specifically is on Lemmy, as long as there is content and discussion. So far it’s been really nice.

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    The community, particularly Beehaw, is fantastic! I love it.

    Lemmy itself needs a lot of work. It’s incredibly far behind, but my expectations are staying measured and I’m excited to see how it develops. Right now it’s not a case of me enjoying the platform itself, but more so ‘putting up’ with the limitations of the platform to access the nice community.

    Jerboa is the mobile client I’m using currently, and it’s off to a good start but needs a lot of fixes to be fully usable. Such as sorting comments and searching. The ability to easily click a button to jump to the next comment thread is my most missed feature as well from clients such as Boost for Reddit.

    Additionally, I still have issues signing into the mobile website. I can sign in through Jerboa or the Beehaw website on desktop, but not on mobile (or at least not always). So I’m often navigating content on the mobile website, then using Jerboa to comment on it. Most won’t deal with these issues, but I’m still holding out to see what comes from it all.

    A couple of last side notes, it’s really annoying to need to click on the title, and not being able to click on the text of a post to navigate (mobile site) - and visually it needs some improvements to draw more people in. That last part seems minor, and for a large part of the existing community, myself included, it truly minor - but for widespread adoption it needs a big revamp.

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    It feels like the start of something new, you know? Sort of exciting because coming from Reddit to Lemmy feels like taking a leap of faith as we are looking for this place to replace what we have lost. At the end of the day, communities are what make or break a platform and we have that going.

    In terms of the platform itself, I am still trying to figure my way around here but the UI/UX feels easy to interact with. I guess I would love to have a mobile app for iOS down the line to replace my addiction to Apollo!

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    I’m enjoying it so far. I like that it’s not a direct one-for-one clone of reddit (not that it was intended to be). It feels like a combination of older reddit (> 10 years ago, when it wasn’t as active) and old school forums (like how older posts will bump if there’s activity). It makes me want to be more active vs being a lurker.

    I have no intention of going back to reddit. I’ve already deleted RIF from my phone. The 3PA thing was the last straw for me, but I felt like reddit had been going downhill for a while and I think I had been looking for an excuse to fuck off but couldn’t quit cold turkey. Whatever good intentions that company might’ve started with, they’re just a greedy corporation now. They haven’t cared about their users for a while (which is interesting because their users are what create their content. Reddit itself doesn’t create anything).

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    Used Reddit for 13 years, tried out Kbin and Lemmy yesterday and settled on Lemmy.

    Long story short, I’m going back to Reddit.

    • There needs to be ONE site, Lemmy.com, that people goto. This entire thing about having .whateveryouwant is VERY off putting. Most internet users have been trained to be extremely wary of odd or unusual things, so having anything besides .com/.net/.org will turn away a huge portion of users.

    I initially setup an account on Lemmy.world, then realized that I couldn’t migrate it to another server and that when I deleted that account on that server all my comments were deleted.

    Deciphering the distributed nature of it took me, a relatively tech-friendly person, almost the entire day and several ‘What the fuck?’ posts. I now understand it more. There are some very low-level guides that have been haphazardly put together, but there absolutely needs to be a MUCH smoother guide/explanation to this whole thing. That learning process will turn people away for sure.

    • BECAUSE I understand it more now, I’m left feeling VERY uncomfortable about my data security. If this is going to become a mainstream thing, as it reaches and before it gets to that critical mass of users, there’s going to be SO. MANY. SECURITY ISSUES. There’s no 2fa at all, hacking and user-account hacking is just going to run rampant, and I’m left wondering ‘Where is my username and password actually stored?’. The answer, sadly, is wherever the dude who’s running the instance/server is. In the ‘Fediverse’ your server instance might be hosted in a US or EU data center with proper digital and physical security, or it could be Joe Blows basement in Iowa running off a NAS. The easy-to-see future here is that Lemmy will fail to attract a critical mass of people because they’ll initially arrive, after a few months their instances will just cease to exist/get shut down/the hosts will decide its no longer a fun hobby to do.

    With a large corporation, they have the staff and resources to secure and maintain the servers physically and digitally, and keep staff up-to-date on current infosec threats and get out in front of them. Beyond that, if there IS a breach, they have the ability to recognize it, understand the legalities and requirements of reporting it, and can be held accountable by regulatory bodies. Joe doesn’t have the resources to really maintain and keep a server running, nor the knowledge of his responsibilities for keeping the data safe digitally or physically.

    On top of that, if Joe’s basement loses power/gets hacked/Joe decides he’s moving to San Fransisco and can’t bring his NAS with him and the server goes down, and that’s where my instance is hosted well there goes my entire account/comments/data.

    • Finding and subbing to communities is painfully difficult. It should be one-click, but somewhere I need to goto an external list, find what I want, and then copy/paste the URL into the search… and then 50% of the time, it doesn’t work. This is an understandable growing pain and can likely be fixed by UI/UX upgrades, but for now it’s a definite turn-off.

    • There simply is no content. I’m not a creator, I want content aggregated for me, and I’ve gotten used to having a single place to get it from that floods me with thousands of different articles/memes/posts/etc every minute. Until the user base arrives in one single place and starts generating content, there’s no reason for most people like me to be there as by far the larger number of users never create anything at all and only exist to consume the content generated.

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      Sorry, but a lot of your concerns you outline, I just don’t agree with.

      There needs to be ONE site, Lemmy.com, that people goto.

      No… Reddit’s singular biggest issue is the fact that everyone is beholden to Reddit’s whim. Leaving any of this to any singular company/persons whims is a big problem. Moderator banned you from a subreddit cause they powertrip? What’s your recourse? You have none.

      This entire thing about having .whateveryouwant is VERY off putting.

      And yet emails are not a problem. Why specifically is this off putting? You’ve never emailed anyone outside of gmail.com? or outlook.com?

      Most internet users have been trained to be extremely wary of odd or unusual things, so having anything besides .com/.net/.org will turn away a huge portion of users.

      Statistically this is very wrong. Quite the opposite in fact. Users are terrible at identifying ANYTHING malicious as actually being “Wrong”.

      I initially setup an account on Lemmy.world, then realized that I couldn’t migrate it to another server and that when I deleted that account on that server all my comments were deleted.

      Just like setting up an email on Gmail doesn’t mean you can just migrate to Outlook… and yes I would hope that deleting your account would delete all your comments. That’s a GOOD thing.

      BECAUSE I understand it more now, I’m left feeling VERY uncomfortable about my data security.

      What security are you talking about? There’s nothing “secure” here. You’re posting things to a public forum for all intents and purposes. What security are you expecting?

      There’s no 2fa at all

      Slated for release with v0.18 which will probably drop within the next few weeks or so… But if your only concern for account security is 2fa… then you probably don’t realize that long unique passwords are perfectly fine. I only really see this being an issue if you’re a moderator or admin of an instance though. As both of those things… I actually don’t currently see a problem. 2fa will be a welcomed addition though.

      hacking and user-account hacking is just going to run rampant

      Just like on every other service on the internet? It seems that most places do fine without this worry.

      and I’m left wondering ‘Where is my username and password actually stored?’

      On the instance you signed up for your account on. In your case that would appear to be lemmy.ca. That’s the only instance that even really knows who you are. The rest of the instances just believe the origin instance of the data.

      The answer, sadly, is wherever the dude who’s running the instance/server is.

      Yup. But that’s the case with ANY online service. Where’s your facebook data? How about the massive amounts of data that google collect on you? Where’s every bit of that? The hope and prayer is that it’s safe in some datacenter that has armed guards and all that. The reality is that data leaks happen. Engineers go home with harddrives full of backups that have all your data on it. Hell your doctors office probably has this issue… https://www.classaction.org/pediatric-data-breach-connexin. I don’t see you complaining about that. This service is not super sensitive… and if you believe it is… host your own instance.

      With a large corporation, they have the staff and resources to secure and maintain the servers physically and digitally, and keep staff up-to-date on current infosec threats and get out in front of them.

      And yet everyday you hear about some other company that got completely shafted… and more user information leaked out there like it belongs in the wild. But I once again have to ask… Aside from password (which is hopefully long and unique)… What content do you have on lemmy that actually matters? You realize that everything you post on a platform like this or Reddit is public… There’s nothing you should ever assume to be “secure” or private on a platform like this, including Reddit. You bring this up so many times… What are you uploading that’s sensitive that you think needs to be secure?

      Finding and subbing to communities is painfully difficult. It should be one-click, but somewhere I need to goto an external list, find what I want, and then copy/paste the URL into the search… and then 50% of the time, it doesn’t work. This is an understandable growing pain and can likely be fixed by UI/UX upgrades, but for now it’s a definite turn-off.

      Finally a legit concern. Yes, finding communities is actually a bit annoying. There’s work being done to fix it. Remember this is version 0.17.4 that we’re on right now. And the mass influx of people trying the platform out is putting a ton of stress on lots of undersized server instances. Things will happen… But same story with reddit… Reddit just had 3-4 hours of downtime because some subreddits went private. They’re not perfect either… what’s their excuse? It can’t be because it’s new and small…

      There simply is no content. I’m not a creator, I want content aggregated for me

      What? There’s TONS of content already. You need to join more communities I think. Reddit was never there to generate content either though. It’s an aggregator, not typically a source.

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        I didn’t have the energy to write all that and what I woud have written would have been 90% the same so thank you! The parent doesn’t know how things actually are in corporations. Neither about hosting stability, nor data security, nor regulation, nor financial security, nor responsibility. Most of the concerns they had with the random dude are valid for any typical, in other words limited liability, corporation. And the big instances are not at all hosted by some random dude. You can’t run a big instance without sysadmin knowledge at the very least. The three I have looked into, lemmy.ca, lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, are all run by either software developers or system/database admins. At least two of them are also well funded which we can tell due to the transparent funding and available track record. Small non-profit teams and organizations have made much bigger contributions to my life and society than many big corporations. From Wikipedia, through Mozilla to all the outfits behind most open source software that literally runs the world. Two random dudes write the crypto for the security that nearly every corporation uses (OpenSSL). Anyways. I’m not writing this to change minds. Just expressing my thoughts and reaction. 🥲

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          I tried not to bring up individual instances… but to your point there… I’m a CISO… My whole job is data security. My instance is 100% for sure safe… and honestly I probably have better tools in place than a good 80-90% of companies that you give all sorts of private information to.

          I felt that point wasn’t specifically relevant, but it’s just odd that people treat companies as better than individuals in general… My uptime actually beats Amazon this year so far. And I’m hosting from hardware in my garage, which happens to be a cluster of proxmox boxes with a good dedicated 60 amps of power and 6+ hours of battery backup.

          The datacenter my business is in contract with… I have better uptime than them… They’ve had 3 major outages in the past 9 months.

          Businesses are not infallible… and honestly are likely worse to work with since no individual ever feels compelled to own up to the mistakes. It’s always shareholders and money with businesses. I love working with vendors that are 1-3 man teams… They are ALWAYS vested and always do good work IMO… It’s the large places that pass the buck everywhere they can and everything is always a shoe-string shitshow.

          Just my additional 2 cents to continue the discussion.

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            Heavy agreement. Having seen how corporations host and treat data, it’s a clown show. Everyone knows noone can be held accountable beyond being fired and execs and shareholders know they can’t lose the money they already made.

            So should we update from Ubuntu 18.04 since it’s running out of support? Weeeell… we should but let’s write this feature first. It won’t be too bad if we run for a few months without security patches.

            Security patches by some random dudes, for the software written by the random dudes.

            🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦

            Anyway, what’s your instance?

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              https://lemmy.saik0.com is my instance. I’m treating it as the original myspace idea… friends of friends can get in. Also makes the local communities much better IMO…

              Running in an LXC container on a proxmox cluster, all the data stored on a ceph cluster. Backed up nightly to a large 400TB backup server. Proxied through cloudflare (yes I’ve gotten cloudflare working correctly enough… I should probably clean up the page rules a touch…). The only thing I’m missing in my “homelab” is offsite backup… Of which I’m looking for tape libraries or similar things I can put into my rack to swap out every week or so to an offsite location.

              And your example of the Ubuntu thing is even worse the moment you bring up windows environments. I know so many companies still running Windows 2012… And their reasoning? “Well it’s still supported until October right?”… Not realizing it probably takes months to a year to validate all the software they’re going to have to migrate. Clown show is accurate.

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                Great stuff.

                Honestly, even if most folks from Reddit don’t stay, the ones that know will most likely stay. I’ve been here for a week and I know I will. In the worst case scenario it’ll turn out like Slashdot used to be. Frequented by knowledgable folks sharing News for nerds, stuff that matters. If that’s all we get in the end, it won’t be so bad. 👌

                But I think a lot more will stay.

                Anyway, good night!

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      What you’re describing is just another Reddit. Where, eventually, a few select individuals with all the power make the wrong decisions and this entire disaster happens all over again.

      Lemmy (and the fediverse) is a chance to change all that. It brings power back to the people, to the community.

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        I think that’s the exact opposite of what this is. ALL the power on Lemmy is limited to 1 person: The instance host. They set the rules, they decide they don’t like you or the server, your entire account gets deleted because they shut it down. Another instance gets into a flame war or conflict with another, they block THE ENTIRE OTHER SERVER, essentially quarentining them out of existing.

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      It’s funny; I know the usual advice is to stick to com/net/org, but I think there’s a certain crowd online that’s all about the wacky TLDs. I’ve definitely seen devs and artists with TLDs like .pizza and .rocks (not a portfolio, but https://stoneclub.rocks as example). I’ve seen enough of these sites that something like https://sh.itjust.works doesn’t make me blink and I trust I’d be able to tell a phishing site from folks playing with TLDs, but I can totally understand how that could be off-putting without that sort of background.

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        If I see a URL like this, I, and… polling my coworkers here… All 52 coworkers on my group chat would say these are highly suspicious and would not click on them. I imagine this is the general consensus for internet-savvy people.

        • I’m happily reading a post on Reddit, and see a link like that: clearly dangerous.
        • I’m happily reading a post on Lemmy, and see a link like that: probably dangerous, but possibly a Lemmy instance? Impossible to tell. I want to read Lemmy, not whatever “stoneclub” is.

        It would be great if links to remote Lemmy instances had some kind of styling applied; a little icon, etc., that would make it clear this link is within the fediverse.

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          Again, I think there’s a certain crowd of internet users who are familiar with fun domain names and enjoy playing in that space. My example is particularly innocuous (a club of people who love stone megaliths in the UK). I also think the fun and playful names aren’t difficult to tell from phishing sites, but maybe I have a gut instinct developed from exposure to the folks who do use playful domains.

          My point is that thinking these quirky links look dangerous is specific to a certain social or generational group, and it wouldn’t hurt for them to keep an open mind about TLDs.

          (Adding an icon to remote fediverse instance links is a nice idea too.)

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      BECAUSE I understand it more now, I’m left feeling VERY uncomfortable about my data security. If this is going to become a mainstream thing, as it reaches and before it gets to that critical mass of users, there’s going to be SO. MANY. SECURITY ISSUES. There’s no 2fa at all, hacking and user-account hacking is just going to run rampant, and I’m left wondering ‘Where is my username and password actually stored?’. The answer, sadly, is wherever the dude who’s running the instance/server is.

      I wonder if IPFS would be better suited for the fediverse for this reason? You’ve brought up some solid points here and if history is anything to go by, it’s likely already seeing some exploitation in the wild. I think there’s likely to be a lot of work needed here. For example: Your cookies store JWTs in base85. Nice!

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      Good points.

      I’ll be going back to Reddit too but I suspect everything will not be as it once was and much of it will be finding out where others have fled to.

      There was ~1-5000 people on here over the last year or so which isn’t huge in terms of subreddits, it seems to have jumped to 100,000+ in the past week or two. Teh current content seems reasonable for an ~100k subreddit.