TL;DR: Is it possible to define hierarchy, as a useful term for communication and association between anarchists? If so, what are some of those definitions?

There are many different strains of anarchism, and specially since anarchists mostly believe in decentralization, I feel like many of our efforts go diluted for lack of collective organization. Sure, there are big anarchist collectives doing work out there, but I have the sensation that most youth or influential people who identify themselves with anarchist causes get lost in the plot simply for lack of a bigger movement. For most of the modes of anarchism there is one big bad evil guy, commonly named “hierarchy”; although writers and academics define those terms in their publications, I can’t help but notice, at least in the forums I’ve been around, your average anarchists could be talking about two completely different concepts of hierarchy or oppression. Maybe if we had agreed upon definitions to those hot topics it would be easier to associate. Is that even possible? That we all agree on the same meaning for a word? Do we call Chomsky to solve this linguistical issue?

Or am I completely wrong in my questionings?

  • VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 hours ago

    For me personally it means Systems of Domination or institutions of subordination.

    One example might be that young boys are raised up with the idea that is their birthright to subordinate women when they become “the man of the house”.

    That dynamic does not exist in a vacuum. It is inextricably intertwined with capitalism, white supremacy, and more systems of domination, each which we should name and confront

    • RoyBattyButCoward@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      12 minutes ago

      I think this is a good start, but still too little rigid. This definition still requires one to define Systems of Domination or institutions of subordination. The examples are a big help, but it is still unclear what falls under those categories.

      Do unions fall under those “institutions of subordination”? As an example of ambiguity under this definition.

  • punkisundead [they/them]@slrpnk.net
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    10 hours ago

    Please dont call Chomsky into a debate about the word hierarchy, he has such bad takes when it comes to that. “Justified hierarchy” und such things…

    Besides that, in my eyes we don’t need unified definitions and theories. Its more important to make sure people unterstand each others words when going into a dicsussion/dialogue.

    • RoyBattyButCoward@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      22 minutes ago

      I hate most of Chomsky’s views, but he is so prominent its hard not to mention him.

      I agree, we don’t need unified definitions, but if we can at least have a couple standard ones we can refer to, I believe that would make communication and organization easier. An example of what I’m talking is the definition of property: There are a couple of standard ones that are of easy access, and when talking about property its always easy to explain if you mean “private property of the means of production” or “personal property” or “real property as the mainstream economics definition” and even if the person who you’re talking to has not read a lot of theory (or at all), they can probably grasp those concepts with a quick google search. Compare that to “hierarchy”, which is a term that is thrown around all the time, many times with quasi-conflicting meaning and understanding the definitions is a rabbit whole of research reading different authors. Could we not just summarize the most important aspects for the main (i.e. most relevant) definitions for easy digestion, just like what happened with the word property?

    • RoyBattyButCoward@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      17 minutes ago

      Never read that article. I’ll give it a study and come back.

      However right out of the bat I see “anarchists” being used as a blanket term and mentions such as Bakunin, which makes me feel like although useful, this is not the best answer for the problem I am (or at least trying) to mention. Read My other commentary for more context.