• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    Marx and Lenin continue to be vindicated by the passage of time.

    No, the Democrats will not shift left. Their donors would rather they lose to republicans than win on a more progressive platform, and as such will not shift left.

    No, we cannot “elect good democrats” to shift the party to the left. The DNC is an organization that has perfected itself as an anti-radical filter. Those who can fundraise well are elevated to the top, those who speak up against injustice are shunned and whipped.

    We must actively organize outside the DNC and pressure the system. I keep an intro to Marxism-Leninism list I can link if anyone wants it, let me know.

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        Here it is, Cowbee’s “Read Theory, Darn It!” beginner reading list. All except one work has an audiobook alternative linked, otherwise there are text links directly to said works. It starts off with foundations, then builds on said foundations, ending with some practical advice on how to conduct yourself as a Leftist in general. I also include intersectional theory regarding trans and enby liberation, gay rights and history, and decolonialism.

        Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions!

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          That’s awesome. Thank you. I will need that audio. I have head injury from a bike/car accident a few years ago. I can’t read any more than two pages before my memory drops everything i just read about %50 of the time. That’s how i “read” Gary Webb’s biography not long ago!

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      To be fair, in South Carolina, Jesus could run as a Democrat and somehow lose to Lindsey Graham with likely voters.

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    This is the second time this has happened. Democrats in the 50s-60s realized they could get votes in the North by not being racist, while Republicans at the same time realized they could get votes in the South by being racist. It just really shows that neither side really cares all that much, it’s mostly a show for political gain.

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    No way, Democrats have to pivot more to the right, surely that help, right? …right?

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        Liberals are losing their minds blaming everyone except their dogshit policies and strategies.

        You know what, yeah I did cause the Dems to lose. And you know what, I’ll fuckin do it again in the midterms if they don’t move left.

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          …i held my nose and voted democrat in the face of imminent fascism, and i’ll never forgive the fascists for forcing my hand…

          …that hard choice wasn’t enough, though, and i don’t blame you for that…

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      Dang it the onion! You gotta stop with the news and get back to over the top satire. You are fooling people into hope again.

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    Sounds like something a loser would say.

    You know what could prove him wrong? Maybe electing a president? Or winning the house? Or the Senate?

    Oh, I mean surely if what he is saying is such bullshit you guys got at least 2/3 of these right?

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    Are you sure they are committed to losing and not committed to trying to win by adopting republican tactics?

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    And this is why I’m betting Sanders is going to found a new political party, and that this is actually the death of the DNC. And all of that is a good thing.

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      Sanders is 83 years old. He’s already had two opportunities to start a new party, and both times he choose to sheepdog his base to the Democratic party instead. Bernie isn’t going to be our savior.

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    Fun fact: 90% of Democrats quit moving towards the right before getting moderate republican support.

    But on a serious note, I remember seeing a bunch of comments on Lemmy about how Trump was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again, yet this is something that might actually happen to the Democrats, given how they’re seemingly pointing fingers at everyone trying to find who to blame and who’s responsible. I really hope they don’t delude themselves into learning the wrong lessons, but it seems likely to happen.

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      was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again

      At this point the only thing I’m hoping for is that this happens in 4 years when Trump can’t legally run as president again. No figurehead, no MAGA.

      Wishful thinking, but possible.

      As for the democratic party, yeah pretty much. I think it’s been clear for a while that voters are unhappy with the DNC and reluctantly accept the lack of actual progressive policy. Much like the Republican party has been split from MAGA and “classical conservatism” for lack of a better phrase, the Democratic party has been split between liberals and leftists.

      The difference is that classical conservatives will always vote in party lines, making the MAGA figurehead their guaranteed pick.

      Democratic don’t always pick their party line. Sometimes we get independents or multiple Democrats, sometimes we just don’t show up to vote if the candidate isn’t as good as they should be. So like many have been saying, if we get an actual leftist candidate, it’s possible we would actually have significantly higher voter turnout.

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      Spoiler alert, it won’t. They were already alienating their base by playing the “both sides” card.

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        Nope. That will definitely not work, like at all. The Democrats can’t simply debate bro their way out of this.

        Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story

        Maybe Obama destroyed Trump for you, but not for the voters who voted for Trump, or else they wouldn’t have voted for him.

        If fact, the Democratic party is a joke to many petit bourgeois. And also for many working class people, because it abandoned them about 40 years ago in favor of neoliberalism, and has only further abandoned them since[1].

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            This sounds like Clinton and her deplorables. You know what that line of reasoning wrought last time? Trump’s first term. You are repeating the Dems’ mistakes and expecting different results.

            This kind of thinking sounds like The West Wing, which I maintain has been the most corrosive media in a generation. It simultaneously made people very dumb and very smugly sure that they’re smart and right and morally correct. A deprogramming podcast: The West Wing Thing

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                It really sucks that you’re right but this is a big part of the reality of modern elections. What people don’t seem to get about what you’re saying is that this strategy is not intended to make Republicans vote for Democrats, it’s intended to make them stay home. Their perception of Trump is that he’s a strongman. It doesn’t matter that such a description is hilariously off base. It matters that they believe it. Stand up there and call him a pussy with small hands who can’t swing a golf club to save his life and watch him throw a toddler fit while the country looks on. This has the added benefit of giving idiotic “undecideds” the soundbites they clearly want which just might convince some of them to vote for you.

                Is it stupid? Absolutely. Would it work? I honestly think it would.

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                get up there and have more charisma than him and make him the butt of so many jokes that everyone is straight up laughing at him.

                That and be more of an outright Nazi than him. You forget that it’s not just about charisma, it’s about creating a white christian ethnostate. If you can out-Trump Trump, which inherently means amplifying Fascist rhetoric in a folksy charm, but also providing an entertainingly scathing critique of everything not white and rich, then yeah, you’ll win. But otherwise the right will always vote for the biggest Nazi in the room.

                Failure to recognize this is a failure to recognize how the right thinks. Fascism isn’t the outlier in the American right, it is the norm. They just don’t like calling it Fascism, they prefer traditional christian values.

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                  Obama would win against Trump so drop the ‘outnazi the nazi’ shit right now.

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        Dude you can’t just appeal to trump voters and hope to win. It hasn’t worked, it can’t work, it won’t work. You have to appeal to progressives and people who do not want money in politics. And I don’t believe the democrats will ever be willing to do that.