• Dagwood222@lemm.eeEnglish
    84·
    1 year ago

    [off topic?]

    I read a story about TOS. A company was building automatic doors. Someone wrote to the production asking how they got their doors to work so flawlessly.

    Two Union workers was not the answer the company was hoping for.

      • wjrii@kbin.social
        37·
        1 year ago

        There’s also a reason that the “legitimate nerds” in show business become such cult favorites. The overlap of (1) “people who look like professional actors” and (2) “people who are believable while acting” and (3) “people who legitimately get into the fake logic of technobabble” is vanishingly small. If you are on a Trek show and not in that intersection, pretending to be a 3 is going to be one of the biggest challenges in pulling off 2 to your expected standards.

        To cross franchises for a moment, “you can write this shit George, but you can’t say it.”

      • Zorque@kbin.social
        25·
        1 year ago

        There was that one scene in TNG where Riker is actually making up a bunch of technobabble to distract a ferengi who had taken over the ship… and to this day I’m not sure how they got a take where he managed to go through it with a straight face.

    • Dagwood222@lemm.eeEnglish
      22·
      1 year ago

      A scene that lasts 30 seconds on screen might take an entire morning to shoot. The actors have to repeat their lines exactly the same, every time. Imagine having to say the technobabble fifty times or more, without messing it up.

    • wjrii@kbin.social
      13·
      1 year ago

      I can easily imagine it. You have words that the actor has never seen before, which have literally zero emotional resonance for them so they can’t draw on any personal or cultural connections to use them, and they’re tasked with spitting them out in a scene that calls for both intimate familiarity and stressful high stakes.

  • gnuplusmatt@startrek.websiteEnglish
    193·
    1 year ago

    I hate when people try to write technobabble like that. It has a logic and if you have watched enough star trek it starts to make sense.

    Then JJ Abrams comes a long and has Butterbeer Crampleslice tell us life support system is behind the aft nacelles. Even the first few seasons of the new Trek shows did this crap until they brought on science and Canon consultants

    • Stamets@startrek.websiteOPEnglish
      84·
      1 year ago

      Do you have any examples of the new Trek shows doing this?

      Edit: No. The answer is no he doesn’t. The same as everyone who makes this complaint. I openly challenge you find a single example. I will admit I am wrong if you can find a piece of treknobabble in NuTrek that breaks canon or doesn’t line up with the explanations already provided in lore.

      I am waiting. My skeleton will be waiting. Simply because the above complaint isn’t true.

      Edit 2: Yep. I was right. It wasn’t true. Check below for the receipts.

      • gnuplusmatt@startrek.websiteEnglish
        35·
        1 year ago

        There is nothing technochron blorbinator in the Trek lexicon - I’m saying that writing example technobabble like that shows a lack of understanding of the source.

        I don’t have any specific examples, but I remember the first 2 seasons of discovery and a little in the first season of Picard getting Trek particles wrong and not knowing systems. It got better once they hired Erin MacDonald and brought on David Mack and a few other novelists to consult on prodigy and I think Picard iirc

        edit: Hey look I can play the edit game too - I provided a poorly researched example and explained that technology use not well used in early discovery - I acknowledged that being critical of technology use can be hand waived because its fictitious and apparently that’s not good enough for our combative OP. I also provided sources on the franchise now using specialists to keep track of technology and technobabble, and advised that I am not a “nutrek hater” as our contentious colleague here had to go and attack me personally - check below for the receipts and tax returns!

        • Stamets@startrek.websiteOPEnglish
          52·
          1 year ago

          Again, do you have any examples? I cannot find any you’re talking about. I’ve heard this complaint repeatedly and no one has ever been able to provide an example of a line that didn’t make sense. Everyone makes up quotes. No one has anything specific. It’s always these really vague complaints. You repeatedly saying nonsense isn’t an example, especially when it was never said. What did they misunderstand. What particles did they not get right? Because I just finished a rewatch of Discovery with a good friend and I didn’t see a single but of technobabble that either didn’t make sense or was ridiculous. There were also zero examples of someone saying tech was located in a specific location.

            • Stamets@startrek.websiteOPEnglish
              63·
              1 year ago

              Please do. I’m getting really tired of people complaining about stuff they can never point to.

              • ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                44·
                1 year ago

                Probably because most people don’t go around saving copies of these examples. You notice it make a mental note and then forget until someone brings it up again.

                I sure as hell don’t go around documenting everything that bothers me about a tv show. In fact I usually do the opposite and try to ignore them.

                • Stamets@startrek.websiteOPEnglish
                  72·
                  1 year ago

                  Probably because most people don’t go around saving copies of these examples.

                  I didn’t ask for copies. I asked for a single example. Not multiple, not a list, one. A single example to back up this complaint and there was nothing other than extremely vague hand waves saying “Oh I remember it happening in this super vague sphere of time. Don’t remember who said it or when it was said or what was said. But I know it happened.” It is not on me to decipher your nonsensical complaints. It is on you to provide evidence and examples of these complaints. Otherwise you’re just screaming about something you can’t prove or even point to.

                  So you can go around and forget all the examples but you don’t then get to complain about it being guilty of something when you cannot provide the evidence. If you want to complain about something breaking lore or canon then you must provide the example. It is not on us to prove a negative and prove something doesn’t exist. Moreover, what is your point here? If you openly forget stuff that bothers you then how can you be trusted at all when it comes to your complaints? It just backs up my point of needing an example even more.

                  Stop kicking the responsibility. Accept the fact that it is yours to back up your complaints. Not anyone elses. It is yours. So you either come with receipts or you don’t start anything. I’m really tired of hearing you all run rampant with your complaints and never being able to back it up. I’d be glad to have a discussion and even admit that I’m wrong. You refuse to provide that opportunity.

                  So either put up or shut up. I’m tired of the bullshit.