I personally find beehaw’s moderation weird, I get that you’re trying to create a safe and regulated space, but you simple can’t do that with 4 mods on the entire instance.
I do think that their decision to jump to defederation is a result of these 4 people being overworked and simply not having the time to rationally evaluate the situation.
if they want to continue like this they’ll have to evaluate on whether to appoint proper mods to their communities or just decide to change their stance on “safe” content.
For reference to anyone who doesn’t know, Beehaw blocks around 400 instances. I’m assuming a lot of them are troublesome stuff (like some illegal shit), I’m fine with those blocks. But I personally got confused by them banning Lemmy World, Shitjustworks, and the small instances that have bot accounts. For the latter it seems to just be private instances where bots signed up cus of open sign ups. Like it doesn’t seem the owners of those mall instances wanted the bots. The bots just signed up and the owners didn’t realize. Also, from my understanding, from what I read in some comments here, they even defederated from a place that doesn’t federate (i.e. it was meaningless to block). I saw this in comments about the Lemmyworld defederation. The site seems to be hexbear, which from what I can see at a glance seems to be a refugee site for the previous r/ChapoTrapHouse subreddit, which no longer exists on reddit. Idk what the culture is on that site, but I find it weird to ban a place that doesn’t even federate.
Most of Beehaw’s blocks are “generic ActivityPub assholes”, which, before the Reddit migration, was really just the worst of the worst of Mastodon, Pleroma, Soapbox, and Miss/Calc/???Key instances, with the occasional PeerTube thrown in.
They likely just imported one of the common blocklists and moved on with their lives, which really should be “how to secure your community 101” but most Lemmy admins haven’t seem to have gotten the memo yet.
I’m patiently waiting for the day those assholes realize most of Lemmy is open ground for them to shit in, boy that’s gonna be a fun few days.
Note that this does not seem to include any Lemmy instances yet.
IIRC Lemmy doesn’t have a way of importing blocklists directly, so you’ll either have to whip up a quick script to do so or manually add things by hand, which is tedious and you will give up.
Yeah, like I said I don’t mind those. Although, I thought some of them couldn’t talk with Lemmy, hence the confusion. I’m mostly concerned by the other examples that I mentioned.
Honestly, I respect their decision but at the same time I wonder why they didn’t create a standalone unfederated from the get go.
If you want to keep the community small and tightly nit it’s just not compatible with the federation system. Now people got invested in some beehaw communities only to end up disconnected from them.
Still, it’s not like there is a guide for this. We are all learning how to make the federation work. I hope we can keep it civil toward instances that choose to defederate.
We are all invested in the same thing:
Making Lemmy successful.
Isn’t a lot of Beehaws complaints the lack of moderation on other instances, not specifically their own?
If they’re struggling with managing their own content, they certainly shouldn’t have to worry about content from other instances. Any instance that hasn’t managed to sort out their own moderation should be defederated until they figure it out.
Every individual community inside each instance should have its own set of moderators or it should not exist.
Thank you for pointing this out. Almost all of the complaints I’ve seen are coming from the instances that were defederated rather than from within the Beehaw community. You can verify this yourself by reading the comments on their discussion threads about the matter. It’s almost like the users of Beehaw agree with the decision otherwise they would have left for another instance.
Reddit admins made a unilateral decision a bunch of us didn’t like and now we’re all here on Lemmy.
Why are people acting like Lemmy instances are any different?
I personally find beehaw’s moderation weird, I get that you’re trying to create a safe and regulated space, but you simple can’t do that with 4 mods on the entire instance. I do think that their decision to jump to defederation is a result of these 4 people being overworked and simply not having the time to rationally evaluate the situation.
if they want to continue like this they’ll have to evaluate on whether to appoint proper mods to their communities or just decide to change their stance on “safe” content.
For reference to anyone who doesn’t know, Beehaw blocks around 400 instances. I’m assuming a lot of them are troublesome stuff (like some illegal shit), I’m fine with those blocks. But I personally got confused by them banning Lemmy World, Shitjustworks, and the small instances that have bot accounts. For the latter it seems to just be private instances where bots signed up cus of open sign ups. Like it doesn’t seem the owners of those mall instances wanted the bots. The bots just signed up and the owners didn’t realize. Also, from my understanding, from what I read in some comments here, they even defederated from a place that doesn’t federate (i.e. it was meaningless to block). I saw this in comments about the Lemmyworld defederation. The site seems to be hexbear, which from what I can see at a glance seems to be a refugee site for the previous r/ChapoTrapHouse subreddit, which no longer exists on reddit. Idk what the culture is on that site, but I find it weird to ban a place that doesn’t even federate.
Most of Beehaw’s blocks are “generic ActivityPub assholes”, which, before the Reddit migration, was really just the worst of the worst of Mastodon, Pleroma, Soapbox, and Miss/Calc/???Key instances, with the occasional PeerTube thrown in.
They likely just imported one of the common blocklists and moved on with their lives, which really should be “how to secure your community 101” but most Lemmy admins haven’t seem to have gotten the memo yet.
I’m patiently waiting for the day those assholes realize most of Lemmy is open ground for them to shit in, boy that’s gonna be a fun few days.
Got a suggested blocklist handy?
https://codeberg.org/oliphant/blocklists/src/branch/main/blocklists. Feel free to pick a tier depending on the community you’re building. Tier0 is basically “the bare minimum” but you may want the others depending on the community you’re building up.
Note that this does not seem to include any Lemmy instances yet.
IIRC Lemmy doesn’t have a way of importing blocklists directly, so you’ll either have to whip up a quick script to do so or manually add things by hand, which is tedious and you will give up.
Yeah, like I said I don’t mind those. Although, I thought some of them couldn’t talk with Lemmy, hence the confusion. I’m mostly concerned by the other examples that I mentioned.
I think Beehaw have a fine idea.
I think they picked the wrong platform for it.
They split from tildes.net originally.
There is no reason why they can’t defederate from everyone when they build their community. The people that dont like it will just move away.
The sore spot is that people thought it was breaking Lemmy for a week. You can’t even tell now.
Honestly, I respect their decision but at the same time I wonder why they didn’t create a standalone unfederated from the get go.
If you want to keep the community small and tightly nit it’s just not compatible with the federation system. Now people got invested in some beehaw communities only to end up disconnected from them.
Still, it’s not like there is a guide for this. We are all learning how to make the federation work. I hope we can keep it civil toward instances that choose to defederate.
We are all invested in the same thing: Making Lemmy successful.
Isn’t a lot of Beehaws complaints the lack of moderation on other instances, not specifically their own?
If they’re struggling with managing their own content, they certainly shouldn’t have to worry about content from other instances. Any instance that hasn’t managed to sort out their own moderation should be defederated until they figure it out.
Every individual community inside each instance should have its own set of moderators or it should not exist.
Thank you for pointing this out. Almost all of the complaints I’ve seen are coming from the instances that were defederated rather than from within the Beehaw community. You can verify this yourself by reading the comments on their discussion threads about the matter. It’s almost like the users of Beehaw agree with the decision otherwise they would have left for another instance.
Reddit admins made a unilateral decision a bunch of us didn’t like and now we’re all here on Lemmy.
Why are people acting like Lemmy instances are any different?