(not the actual mim)

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    Liberals - “They never criticize Russia!”

    Hexbear/Lemmygrad users - detailed list of wrongs committed by the Russian state, with accompanying list of much more fucked up wrongs by the US.

    Liberals - “Those are Russian talking points!”

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      It’s more that they think bringing up Russia is a spell disallowing us from speaking about the crimes of other countries for a duration. The cries of whataboutism is supposed to be counterspell.

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        You might be onto something with that kind of language. Give me a while, I’ve got a reference for you, about how magic is central to liberal states. I’ve just got to think of where it might be or who wrote it.

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            I hope you’re not joking because I’ve been wracking my brains and… nothing. So this is the best lead I’ve got.

            Edit: @absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml you were right. (Searching ‘J magic in law’ led me right to it, thanks.) @AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml I was thinking that the liberal world outlook is dialectically related to the liberal-legal framework. If law relies on magic, one would expect liberals to use the same ideas, rituals, performances, props, etc, to explain the world and ‘transform’ it (the ideal version of the world, anyway). Jessie Allen, (2008) ‘A theory of adjudicaron: Law as magic’ 41 Suffolk University Law Review 773, p. 776:

            Magic, in this sense, encompasses practices in diverse cultures that aim to achieve some kind of transformative effect through a combination of physical and verbal techniques that are distinct from ordinary technical interventions. …

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            …[L]egal magic may contribute to a theory of how legal practices influence culture. Law is not just regulatory. Legal institutions not only sanction and constrain our world, they also generate and transform it. As Robert Cover expressed, law and culture together constantly create and recreate “nomos”—a normative universe of legal meaning—beyond state-enforced legal power. … Using anthropological theories of magic [in this article], I consider how legal magic may help shape social reality…[.]